Pinned straw:
I was just on the call with CEO/CFO
Here are my notes for those interested
ARU - 15 Jan 2025 - A$200 MILLION INVESTMENT COMMITMENT FROM THE NATIONAL RECONSTRUCTION FUND CORPORATION
Introduction by DC
- Aust Govt is a cornerstone as said by DC - CEO
- 50% of equity by cornerstone. (So that means we can expect cornerstone to have $300m more)
- We have more demand for off take than we have product.
Explanation of the Convertible Note (CN) by PS - CFO
- No cash payment for the CN (ie the interest just keeps building up)…so this is great. It frees it up cash flow for Phase 2.
- Reconfirmed FID first half of 2025
- CN means no dividends (unless I assume they convert to equity).
- PS said they had been negotiating with National Reconstruction Fund Corporation (NRFC) for “months”….so I am guessing around Q3 2024 it started.
Questions from JP Morgan
- Q - debt equity 50/50…..is the CN debt or equity?
- A - PS - ARU considers CN to be part of equity. The converting….deferred dilution and higher price…so better for dilution. If going good…converts to equity…if not going good….considered debt (subordinated)
- Q - Update on off take - good run locking them in. What are the sticking points?
- A - PS - Siemens And Hyundai….critical to debt funding…through their credit export agencies…looking to lock in equity from these off takers…..so that is why not announced yet. Those two activities are linked together.
- Q - How the NdPr pricing for off take looking?
- A - Challenging due to low commodity prices…but looking at policy in USA will help push prices up during negotiations.
- Q - ASX:ILU is in the market for staff. How will ARU staff up…is there limited expertise?
- A - DC - def a risk attracting right talent. ARU processes are proven. Market we are tapping into downstream oil and gas/manufacturing…so large pool…..need 300 people (not iron ore in the 1000s).
Questions from Barren Joey
- Q - Lots of Govt funding worldwide for the debt…any chance ARU will secure more CNs from Germany or Korea Government back entities (words something like that)?
- A - PS - He danced around this question and I was the answer was not clear. But he said something like…..we have some more cornerstone equity to announce (soonish)….that is likely not to be in a CN form…but rather equity…but we are in discussions with these other “state backed groups”. Announced. [My question on reflection - does this mean the Credit Export Agencies will put in this equity or the business. Ie Hyundai or Korea Export Credit Agency?]
- Q - Will the Aust Govt provide Off take price floor for ARU?
- A - PS - No. (This was quite firm which surprised me…..guess Aust Govt set up all these large funds…and just want to throw money around as debt or equity funding)
- Q - We are late in the Australian election cycle - What are the effects if change in Govt.
- A - DC - Both sides support this type of project. “We enjoy the support of both parties.” (This is good. Peter Dutton had been critical of the debt package…but obviously changed his views?)
Questions from the fu@kers at Canaccord Genuity
- The guy started with “g’day Darryl and Pete!” Best buddies. Probably counting all the shorting profits he made playing both side (chinese walls are not acceptable...Canaccord should not be able to trade ARU if they are our Equity Arrangers). If anyone can tell me...do they have two boards? If not.....it is illegal.
- Q - How are the Rare Earth markets in terms of pricing.
- A - PS - Weaker NdPr price driven by supply (ie China). Current Price sits below cost price. Supply/demand continues to grow. Some catalysts will create more demand (better charging infra etc.).
- A - DC - China beefing imports of additional ndpr ore….this supply matching demand. China can’t meet the demand that is coming. Bias to their own industry. Av price of EV is $55k and ndpr price is $55 per EV. So EV manufacturer don’t care…just want certainty. No ore to oxide mines coming on in next 10 years. Put all together…medium term pricing will be very different to now….maybe three times it is today. Also USA 2026 tariffs will play a big part.
- Q - Development timelines….if FID mid 2025…..
- A - DC - three years of construction….two year planned ramp up.
Questions from Fairmaven Investments
- Q - Can you give us an idea of the current and near future burn rates… and can you rule out another cap raise before FID.
- DC - Burn rate $3m a month….when completed the last cap raise, state they had runway into Q3…this remains the same.
More questions from JP Morgan
- Q - Are we likely to get updated economics?
- A - PS - If numbers change materially in the economic work that the ARu board use to make their FID decision, ARU will update the market.
Summary by DC
- Today is significant
- Oz govt support pulls in other cornerstone investors.