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Added 2 months ago

I've recently attended an industry conference in person which had a modest AV setup with a few large screens for PowerPoint, a few microphones, speakers, and a camera for webinar attendees. There was one technician doing the audio, video and the production roles and asked him about Dante. He has done 2 of their training courses and his feedback was that he liked the technology but for these one-day events Dante is too much set up effort and they would need all compatible equipment. Some of his equipment was 10 years old and he was an expert in setting up with analogue cabling so he was happy as is.

He said at bigger events there are 3 people – 1xaudio tech, 1x video tech and 1xproducer each with specialist training. He says that there are lots of complications with the equipment and things like frame rates and colour issues that sometime need specialist troubleshooting. I am wondering if equipment will be increasingly software driven and some of these idiosyncrasies and low level details will be abstracted.

In his opinion, Dante would have to be more widespread adoption and simpler to configure for the smaller events. He also agreed that audio and video are essentially the same platform and Dante would ideally cover both reasonably completely. He thinks if you are using one digital cable you would want to use it across the whole setup rather than add yet another cable. I can see his point.

He said for more static set ups like universities, churches etc Dante would have more appeal because the set up effort would be more worthwhile.

My conclusion is that the market is a slow burn to act as a steady tailwind for Audinate, rather than a sudden switch to digital only, and there will no doubt be some consolidation across audio and video. Perhaps that translates to faster profit for Dante because there is the whole supply chain in between (e.g. bullwhip effect), so it may not be a slow burn investment. Also, their recent move into video is probably the right move. 

Slomo
Added 2 months ago

Nice bit of scuttlebutt @actionman.

This ties pretty closely with where Dante has been initially targeted - bigger products (mixers, etc) for bigger brands (Yamaha, etc) and bigger installations (stadiums, Sydney Trains, etc).

In Audio, CEO Aidan has said they're now moving down the value chain towards smaller gear which should bring some smaller brands on board - there are a lot out there. The shift towards software only installs should help with this too as there's no hardware (eg. chip) to design in, as long as the hardware (eg. microphone) has the on board capacity to house the Dante software.

This is a great move IMHO as it expands their TAM and hopefully avoids 'the innovators dilemma' with some smaller, simpler spec competitor coming in and bifurcating the market with a cheaper product, then creeping up to eat Audinate's lunch. Network effects should also help avoid this.

Aidan has also said that he expects a slow burn in adoption speed, there's not an inflection point or hockey stick growth coming in his opinion.

Video's a whole different, longer, lumpier story.

I've been thinking about their Iris Studio acquisition. This is, on the face of it an extension of their video play (3rd acquisition in this space) but it's really all about control (software and services). They've said as much in the presos at the time of the M&A.

Until now they've built out Audio and now Video products to get OEM's and their kit onto the Dante protocol. They've now added a bunch of control suite products - Director, Domain manager, etc to control the networked endpoints.

Iris takes quite different approach. If you think about existing Dante endpoints as a bottom up part of the network with a control layer sitting on top, Iris is more like a top down control layer / umbrella that is protocol agnostic (works on both Dante and NDI enabled products today). Video is just their starting point, no reason why this can't be extended to audio and beyond (lighting, temperature control, etc) and Aidan alluded to this in the reval preso.

If so, this could represent a pivot to negate the need for Dante to win a foot race with NDI on the Video adoption space. That would be a very interesting turn of events if they can manage it.

I'll be at the AGM on Tuesday and expect to hear more about this. It's an in person only meeting (has been hybrid in the past). I suspect this is because the competitive environment in Video (and now control) is heating up with NDI, so closed door is likely preferable.

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Solvetheriddle
Added 2 months ago

@actionman good feedback, if i could vote it up i would, @Slomo , possibly you are the world's leading authority on AD8 as an investment, but that's a two-edged sword :) catch up soon

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thunderhead
Added 2 months ago

Look forward to your debrief from the AGM @Slomo.

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