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Last edited a month ago

The latest set of numbers from Catapult seem pretty decent. Actually, that's an understatement. They seem to have delivered well beyond what they signaled earlier in the year:

Highlights (all in USD):

  • Growth: ACV hit >$133M (up 28%), way faster than the 19% they were touting in March.
  • Profit: Management EBITDA margin landed at 18%, beating their earlier 14% benchmark.
  • Efficiency: They reached a 46% Rule of 40 score. For context, the March data implied they were only tracking toward 33%.
  • Teams: They’re now over $30k average ACV per team, hitting that milestone earlier than expected.
  • Cross-selling: Multi-solution teams jumped to 1328 a massive increase from the 1036 reported just two months ago.


They have consistently driven top line growth around ~20% and the incremental margin on this new revenue is huge -- the incremntal profit margin is 41%, easily clearing their long term 30 percent target.

Retention remains super high, cross selling and up selling are working a treat, and while the acquisitions of Perch and IMPECT definitely helped scale things the organic ACV growth was also strong at 18%. Also good to see the tactics and coaching vertical is growing really fast too and is now a much larger share of the total business.

And, perhaps most importantly, they maintained positive free cash flow $6.5 million dollars and ended the year with over $53 million dollars in cash and no debt.

Of course, not everything was great. While the FCF figure beat their revised guidance, it's still a step backward in terms of absolute cash generation year-over-year, a function of increased receivables which they say was due to M&A integrations putting "temporary capacity pressure" on their finance and collections team which causing delays in collecting cash before the March 31 cutoff.

And although "management EBITDA" isnt an entirely egregious metric (in adds back capitalised dev expenses), it does strip out share based payments, which are hardly immaterial. The statutory profit remains well and truly in negative territory.

Still, it's been such a massive turn around form the pre-Will days, and the trajectory is super encouraging.

The market has always seemed to struggle valuing it, but the volatility has been a gift! I made a tiny top-up last week... wish i'd picked up more!

mikebrisy
Added a month ago

@Strawman I agree, generally, with your assessment. However, .... and here comes the rant ....

I always feel like I am entering a parallel universe (like those Star Trek Deep Space 9 Episodes) when I listen to $CAT's presentations with their Alternative Accounting Reality (AAR!!!). I get a disorientated feeling like my inertial dampeners are malfunctioning, i.e., Will talking about "profitable growth", when 10 minutes earlier I have just finished analysing the statutory accounts, I find it disorientating to say the least!

OpCF was flat, and it is a common excuse to blame the finance team being too busy focused on the acquisitions. I'm not disputing that they were, because one small and one large deal places a huge strain on the finance team. However, the fact is, positive cashflows are pushed into the future without the end goal or the financial framework really having changed. The excuse only works if 1H FY27 shows a material recovery of the outstanding collections, additional to the next 6-months pulling it's weight. So the explanation is verifiable,... in another 6 months time. (sigh)

Basically, it has all becomes a bit more of a "jam tomorrow" story again. $CAT has reached levels of scale, maturity and market penetration that I can't help but ask what it means for the thesis when the cash generation can gets kicked down the road?

I know I am sounding a bit churlish, but I am going to have to have a hard look at the numbers, as I don't think I can continue to sit on a valuation of $5.50 (p50%). There's a bit of helpful detail in the analyst Q&A, which will help me unpack things. I'm not sure where I will land, but like you, my valuation is heading south.

Having said all that, the SP was so beaten up that $CAT remains a solid HOLD, and could even be a strong BUY, although I have a large RL position so I am not adding anymore.

Contrary, to my remarks, Will has a clear and consistent framework and is sticking to it in a disciplined way. It just that's when there's such high share based compensation, high and growing D&A, and the "exceptionals" of a busy M&A year, there is a lot to unpick. To the credit of management, they have provided an analyst fact-pack to help with the detailed work.

On a positive note, I find the product offering and the story more compelling with the inclusion of PERCH and IMPECT - making $CAT more of a total platform offering. It also sounds like they are getting some traction from the feed to broadcasters/streamers.

I'll finish with my favourite exchange from the Q&A:

Analyst: ... "We're seeing some fairly aggressive behavior, and we talked a bit about this at the Analyst Day from StatSports post the Sony acquisition. They're doing some hiring. They've obviously signed this league-wide NRL deal. ... and a lot of announcements on new teams that they've sort of signed up. Are you guys seeing any of that from your end?"

Will Lopes  CEO, MD & Executive Director: "We've added $20 million of ACV in P&H, which is the size of StatSports before they were acquired this year. They're really not having a gigantic impact in our ability to grow."

... Burn!

Disc: Held (RL 10%)

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Goldfish
Added a month ago

I hold CAT and I think this is an ok result. The market certainly likes it, up 21% so far today.

However, I feel compelled to state the bear case:

1. This is a $1+ billion market cap company with annual revenue of $140 million ($200 million AUD)

2. Despite signing up 5500 professional sports teams, they made a statutory loss of $24 million

3. Their "Rule of 40" metric, using "Management EBITDA" is rubbish. Excludes real costs of doing business that will recur every year. Depreciation / Amortization is $37 million

4. Likewise saying that you are "Free cashflow" positive ($6 million), when you are issuing $26 million in "employee share based payments" is also misleading

CAT is growing at an ok (not spectacular) rate. I accept that variable and fixed costs are under control and growing much more slowly than revenue. They are heading towards true profitability.

But for now they remain a moderately expensive, unprofitable company. I don't like the aggressive accounting. Financial metrics are not as good as they look at first glance

Perhaps around fair value given the growth trajectory and potential.

But definitely a "hold" rather than a "buy" imo.

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DrPete
Added a month ago

Hey @Goldfish, I came off the call feeling the same hesitation. I don't hold, I'd like to, but there's an "ick" I get from their financials. There's a lot of double-speak about "cost discipline" while they obscure some nasties.

$26m in share based payments conveniently not factored into any of their metrics.

And it all rides on the back of continually shaking down shareholders.

@Strawman you suggest 3-5% dilution ongoing, but their long-term average is 10% pa. I don't think we can assume 20% pa rev growth ongoing without assuming at least a similar level of dilution ongoing.

Are there any nuances about the SBP or dilution that I'm missing?

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Strawman
Added a month ago

This is all great stuff @Goldfish @DrPete

Exactly what I need, especially in light of a share price pop that tends to blind you to the negatives.

Honestly, I can't really push back on your observations. And I definitely should factor in some more dilution.

I will continue to ponder for a bit and then update.

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mushroompanda
Added a month ago

Catapult Sports Defender to the rescue!

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@Goldfish I don't disagree with everything you're saying. However:

  1. Mixing currency here. A$1b market cap with US$140m annual revenue. EV is around US$678m. Everything else below is in USD
  2. -$10.1m SBC was related to IMPECT purchase, -$2.8m was acquisition csots, -$4.8m D&A were acquisition IP related. I think at the very least EBIT/NPAT should be adjusted by the first two. The IMPECT SBC purely a function on how the acquisition contracts were signed, and would normally not flow through the P&L
  3. Management EBITDA does in fact include capitalised R&D. 
  4. Agreed. I would however treat $10.1m of that seperately as per point 2.


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Goldfish
Added a month ago

@mushroompanda yes I got a couple of facts wrong initially as you correctly point out. Apologies, something came up part way through writing that post and I didn't check it as much as I should have.

I still stand by the basic point though. This is an unprofitable company, with aggressive accounting, that is valued at 5 times revenue


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Strawman
Added a month ago

Nothing like a bit of healthy pushback to keep the bias in check. Always good to get a reality check.

First off, @Goldfish not adjusting for FX is something ive done more than once in a rush to bang out a note. But you're right that the point remains.

And you raise some great points as always @mikebrisy. I suppose it all comes down to how much more market penetration they could reasonably capture. They only have 21% of the TAM in terms of team count, and as we're seeing the spend per team also can increase a lot. Which is why their share of the market on a revenue basis is much lower (although it's really hard to know how much of the "estimated US$70b by 2030" pro sports spend is relevant to catapult).

But there's an argument to be made that they have a lot more to grab in this market, in which they already have the dominant lead and strong sales momentum and super low churn. And the industry itself, let alone the narrower category of sports analytics, is also growing strongly..maybe it will prove sensible to delay genuine profitability and burden shareholders with a bit of dilution when the prize is so large? It feels like it's theirs to lose! which they always could if they arent careful. But it feels like they have the wind at their back and i think Will has really managed to make meaningful progress, especially given how things were run for so long.

And great point re the M&A impact in terms of stat profit and share based comp @mushroompanda. It still would have been a loss, of course, but a much smaller one, and the structure of the deal helped preserve a bunch of cash.

So not dismissing any of the issues raised, but I still lean bullish.

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edgescape
Added a month ago

Doesn't change the fact that Catapult has been around for more than a decade and still needs to be creative to get the numbers "just right"

It's like printing money out of thin air...

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