Forum Topics ANO ANO Plenty of positives
vestro
Added 6 years ago

Thoughts from me:

  • This is a company that even in an environment such as this is not only able to survive but in my view, potentially thrive. We have several licensed therapeutic goods manufacturing facilities and labs, debt free, healthy cash levels, very low cost base, and our customers continue to place orders for use in sunscreens and cosmetics.
     
  • Beyond sunscreens and cosmetics, the board is doing what any reasonable business would do in this environment, consider whether they have the capacity and expertise to pivot manufacturing based on new demand. They are leveraging our facilities to look into manufacture of other zinc-based products within oral care and general medicines. This was always something that was potential down-the-line pre-COVID19 outbreak however this is merely a catalyst to bring this forward. This is not some scam company that can't take advantage of such factors. ANO is without a single doubt, a world-class manufacturer with several operational licensed facilities, diverse IP portfolio, broad technical expertise and is better placed than many other businesses that are spruiking at the moment to respond to such needs.
     
  • Our customers are also doing fine. Even our Italian distributor is operating as normal (they post regularly on LinkedIn), as an essential supplier, we're in an industry (effectively classified as medicines globally) where our facilities are unlikely to be impacted short of the end of the world type scenarios. In fact, I suspect, many of our major customers, distributors, contract manufacturers for end product, brand owners etc are actually booming at the moment, as they are able to pivot production into general hand wash and sanitisers. They will certainly have plenty of money available to weather the storm and invest in new products that ANO is developing, in addition to growing their suncare lines.
     
  • As a brand owner myself, our customers continue to purchase, and we are negotiating numerous deals for upcoming seasons. Almost everyone I speak with in our supply chain context are doing very well and are perhaps even more confident to invest in their business growth at the moment.
     
  • The issues being raised in regards to AstiVita relationship are potentially being misunderstood. I've yet to see any evidence that ANO is losing any benefit, it seems to me the deals are structured either that it is fair/equal or actually more commonly, favouring ANO. We've seen this before with various other cost savings between the two companies. It's probably easier/cleaner to not enter into any arrangements with them, but that absolutely does not mean that we would be somehow better off - probably the opposite from what I've seen. Even regarding staff appointments, if you met ANO's former scientific team from several years ago like I have, you would hope we never fall into that trap again. I've met Dalia, and I know she has and is solving real world problems for us. We were told at the AGM that she was the one who discovered various optimisations in our production process that are quite significant. I don't believe she gets paid very well either.

I guess at the end of the day. I'd rather own a business like this, that will continue to deliver significant profits even in potentially the world's most challenging crisis to date, than one that is really exceptional at letting its shareholders know how badly it is doing like most of the ASX at the moment.

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Bear77
Added 6 years ago

That's a very good post Vestro. Thanks for sharing your views. I still think the company shows heaps of promise, as a company, and their IP (tech) has plenty of applications beyond what they are already producing, no doubt. However, my concern is with the board's aggressive stance towards the ASX. Lev is suing the ASX over matters relating to CLH and the tone of recent announcements from ANO suggest that the board believes that the ASX has "got it in for" ANO, due to Lev's involvement in the company. ANO's announcements are often far from professional, their answers to legitimate queries from the ASX are lacking in sufficient detail and often quite dismissive and often factually incorrect - as we saw with "the inventors names are clearly on the patent application" response which was followed by an apology from ANO's board to the ASX when the ASX sent them back the patent application showing that Dalia's and Joseph's names were clearly NOT listed anywhere on it. My point is that I think they are more suited to being a private company, not a public one. They seem to struggle with compliance and the various requirements of being a listed company as evidenced by the number of query letters that the ASX feel the need to issue to them, and the quality of ANO's responses to those letters. What is your view Vestro of ANO stating in a recent announcement that they were investigating a NASDAQ listing? Do you think that would be a dual listing, or INSTEAD of being listed on the ASX. If the ANO board think that the ASX is tough to deal with, they ain't seen nothing yet. The compliance in the US is certainly no easier. My concern with remaining an ANO shareholder is that one of these dust-ups between the ASX and ANO might escalate into a full-blown war and they end up getting delisted from the ASX. Lev seems to like a good fight after all. Most people would understand that Lev runs ANO. It's his company. His attitude heavily influences where they go and what they do. My own assessment is that based on what I've seen to date investing in ANO is a high-risk proposition that hinges on the temperament of a single individual. I'm not comfortable with that risk personally. However, horses for courses. Good luck to all holders.

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