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Pinned straw:

Last edited 2 months ago

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BTI expenses sucking out roughly 7% of pre tax NTA p/a.

About 30% of profits going into managers pockets. How much Alpha is left for the punters after that?

Jarrahman
Added 2 months ago

I’m starting to get a little less evangelical about these guys.


I have no problem about the management fees and performance fees. If the Fund grows and does well off the decisions they make then we all win. I’m ok with that.

Where I’m faltering is what looks like triple dipping.

  1. bailador getting paid management fees to invest the funds
  2. director fees getting paid for investing the funds
  3. operating costs of $835,000. Are the 3/4 non director administration staff hitting dom perignon hard for Friday drinks???


Ive held this for a long time but am going to be looking at selling down my substantial position to a lower proportion. They’ve done well and I’m concerned they’re getting fatigued and a touch too much ego

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Strawman
Added 2 months ago

[EDITED]

I think the concern about fees is fair to raise, @ArrowTrades @Jarrahman but the comparison may not fully capture how the fee structure works. The 1.75% p.a. management fee (plus GST) is based on NAV, not statutory profit. The 17.5% performance fee applies only to realized gains above an 8% hurdle, with a high-water mark ensuring managers aren’t rewarded for prior losses.

It’s also worth noting that BTI’s reported profit includes unrealized gains, meaning the "30% of profits" claim may not fully capture the timing of fee payments. Performance fees are only charged on realized gains, but if those gains were realized in a prior period, the fees might not correspond to the current period’s profit. This can create a mismatch where fees appear disproportionately high in some periods, even though they are tied to gains made over a longer timeframe. While fees are still a meaningful cost, they should be assessed relative to long-term NAV performance rather than any single period’s reported results, which can fluctuate depending on the timing of realizations.

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