Forum Topics WOW WOW Half year FY25

Pinned straw:

Added 2 months ago

There's some nice clouds overhead, so might as well shout at some of them...

Look, Woolies is a wonderful business. There's not much to dislike...except the price. As with CBA and other "blue chips", it's just beyond anything sensible. It's a global phenomenon, and probably something to do with ETF flows, or just TINA (there is no alternative), or maybe just the expected outcome of all this monetary inflation.. i dunno

But let's take a look at things: the business' revenue is essentially flat in real teams. And all these inflationary pressures (wages in particular) have taken a knife to earnings -- you have to wonder how much of that can be recovered through efficiency gains. I suspect, despite the political pressure, they'll simply have to increase prices at some point. They always take a beating from the media on that front, but (at least in this latest half) they certainly haven't been "gouging" customers. Quite the opposite.

They told the market that things are expected to stay tough for the foreseeable future, and they still trade at 22x forward earnings. I think they did well to only see a 3% drop in the share price today.

With franking, the divs are ok, but the total shareholder return will struggle to be beyond 6-7%pa in the next few years -- unless somehow the market multiple expands even more.

Anyway, seems excessive. But maybe low return but low risk isn't a terrible proposition for many.

Also, the results really do point to the struggles many Australians are having with so-called 'cost of living' pressures. Smaller baskets, more cross-shopping at other supermarkets, more focus on store branded goods, less discretionary items -- tells you all you need to know about the state of household budgets.

Anyway, I'd be an enthusiastic buyer at $20. But not interested at $30

Saasquatch
Added 2 months ago

It's funny, because most Australian assets have been financialised via a housing. An economy based on services and wealth storing in those houses. We are good at digging up stuff too.

It's interesting to look around the world and see how each jurisdiction has its idiosyncratic uniqueness for the way their economy operates.

Maybe it's the superannuation, maybe it's the ETFs, maybe it's the safety in the known. Whatever it is, I don't want the exposure to a highly perfected prices asset to allocate to. That's why I manage my own SMSF and bought Bitcoin. There is something seriously wrong with the fact that money flows into assets that cannot create a realistic return and the bids just rise. Money is looking for a place to avoid being debased. This isn't it.

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Mujo
Added 2 months ago

I think WOW will provide inflation protection pretty well plus a bit more. It is providing a useful service to society. Agree it is pricey here but most of the market is.

At the end of the day money is just a human construct be it notes, gold or bitcoin. The value is entirely psychological.

If we change to seashells (buffet reference) to other pet rock as currency i don’t think it matters.

Greshams law probably has a real reason why fiat currency will prevail of course. It allows the creation of credit which has probably been one of the greatest inventions that goes unnoticed - part of that from fractional banking. I’d credit that with a part of why human innovation has accelerated over the last couple of centuries. Of course that credit is being abused too much in places currently, but humans have benefited.

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Saasquatch
Added 2 months ago

Our debt based system perpetuates a future debt based system. But neither define legitimacy for WOW evaluation justification.

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Mujo
Added 2 months ago

Perhaps, for me it wouldn’t be in my top 1000 stocks for egregious valuations at this point in time and actually not bad. 4.3% grossed up yield growing in the mid single digits and quite defensive. That’s about an 8%pa return. Again looking at large cap ASX stocks it’s probably one of the better ones. Agree not going to make you rich but don’t think that’s what WOW holders are expecting.

My previous comment did go off topic, long day…

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GazD
Added 2 months ago

I actually did add a small amount of Woolworths to my portfolio just a bit under $30 not long ago… I figured they were a good business at what for them is a relatively decent price. They’re at rock bottom with regards sentiment because of the endless reviews and enquiries not to mention ‘that interview’ and for me they add a reliable source of cash I can reinvest in other businesses.


Im never going to go down the bond or cash routes with our investable cash so it also serves as a defensive bit of ‘ballast’ although I recognise the other way to frame this is ‘drag’

Given about 90% of our investable cash is in small caps I think a little defensive stock might be justified for my wife and I

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edgescape
Added 2 months ago

I noticed Woolworths seem to have better stock management than Coles. For instance Coles seem to run out of eggs all the time while Woolworths has a few in stock. This is good considering there is an egg shortage

Or maybe it's because Coles is more popular store?

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