Forum Topics BBL BBL #Liquidity

Pinned straw:

Added 7 months ago

For each of my son’s Birthday's I give them $250 that must be invested in shares.. Think of it like a watching hold except it gives me a reason to pump them with news about the companies they now proudly call themselves a part owner of...

A week before my youngest son's 9th birthday we were in Brisbane and going to Lang Park to watch the Broncos play.. and sure enough after finding out the Broncos were a publicly listed company, my son decided he wanted to be a part owner!! #Winning

Disclaimer: - This is my excuse for owning shares in a company with almost zero growth prospects.. but who I have supported since 1988.

Today I have to explain to him how a company's "value" can drop 11% or AU$11 million dollars in one day. The company didn't do a press release today and I can't find any news on the socials or in mainstream media that would move the share price...

So I decided to look at the trades.. The Broncos opened the day with a Market Cap of exactly $100m and closed at $89m... $11m down on the back of $2,230 worth of shares changing hands...

Today my sons learn what the Strawman means when he says, price is set at the margins.

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occy
Added 7 months ago

You say zero growth prospects, while I tend to agree with you somewhat, however who knows what price they could be in time. The first two companies I ever owned were Mincor (which I was pretty much underwater from that day forward and still lost money despite Twiggy's takeover) and the Broncos. Much for the same reason as you, I just wanted to own a part of the Broncs. I purchased four hundred something dollars worth, at I think roughly 8c a share (I can't remember the log in details for the broker as I can't even recall the last time I logged into the account). That purchase is worth over $5k now and they have been paying divs along the way too. Their most recent dividend came close to paying for the '90's World 7's jersey they just put out.

It also doesn't hurt that they just received the first installment of the $4m that the NRL is paying to each club thanks to the Government funding the PNG inclusion in coming years. Thanks taxpayers!

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occy
Added 7 months ago

Also re: low liquidity, they are up over 12% on the purchase of $700 worth of shares this morning

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Bear77
Added 7 months ago

BBL is absolutely a low-liquidity stock @JohnnyM as shown below a few minutes before the close this arvo:

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Big moves on low volume, and a wide trading range today - from as low as 91 cps up to $1.025, and last traded at the low end of that range when I took that snapshot off Commsec just now.

That will likely have changed and will probably look different after the CSPA at 4:10pm, but the company's share price is gapping up and down due to the clear daylight between many of the bids and offers, plus the low numbers of shares on both sides (bids and offers) as shown above.

Interesting that there is a floor of sorts at 90 cents, however that's for just under $90 K worth of shares, so a $100K sell order at market takes that out and more. That said, the total value of all trades in BBL today was only $2,231, so this is a very lightly traded company that exhibits huge price volatility due to that and the low liquidity, as you have pointed out.

Not a company I follow because I wouldn't know how to value the company with any real sense of comfort - I reckon plenty depends on how the team performs year to year, and even week to week. Winning teams attract much more interest than losing teams, and winning teams have a higher brand value, generally speaking, so any business ventures that are associated with the team are likely to do better if they are a very popular team that mostly wins games and wins premierships.

Google assures me that the Broncos franchise was established in 1988 and has been one of the most successful and popular teams in Australian sports, winning six league premierships and qualifying for the league finals series in all but seven seasons in its history.

Yet I still wouldn't know how to value them. Looks more like a trading stock than an investment to me, but BBL is not within my circle of competency (a.k.a. wheelhouse). I do hold similarly lightly traded companies where I have high conviction that they'll be worth considerably more in the future than the market value attributed to them today, but those are industrial and services companies mostly where I've followed them for years and believe I understand the drivers of the business and their management.

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JohnnyM
Added 7 months ago

Strawman needs to have a love heart as an option to the thumbs up!! You've nailed it @Bear77

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lowway
Added 7 months ago

Wow, you guys @JohnnyM @Bear77 @occy have taken me way back into the archives, what a fun trip!!

So yes, as a Broncos supporter from the get-go, I purchased 5000 shares at IPO via Morgans (founder Paul Porky Morgan, also founder of the Broncos and just to give the Broncos somewhere to celebrate, he also owned the Newham Hotel where I frequented for work accommodation with many of my employees and had the odd ale with Porky). Worked hard and played harder did Porky, which is probably the reason for his early demise from heart attack at 54 years young.

So for you youngsters out there, here's what the cost breakdown looked like to be an initial Broncos Shareholder. Whoops, meant to add the original company was called Pacific Sports Entertainment Ltd $PSE, probably because News Ltd had such a big stake initially.

So I still had to pay Morgans a premium to get in on the IPO where the shares floated for 20 cents each, but as the float was oversubscribed, Morgans simply purchased them on market at opening:

Purchase of 5000 PSE @ $0.237 + Brokerage - $50 + Order fee - $5 + Stamp Duty - $1.8 = $1,241.80 (paid by cheque in the mail)

Name changed to Brisbane Broncos LTD in May 2001. They started paying dividends between 1 cent and half a cent from 2008 and rather sporadically after that until I sold in June 2017 for the princely sum of 40.93 cents/share for the 5000 initial purchase.

Maybe not such a great idea to invest using a sporting passion, but it was only a toe in the water play and they sent me all the latest gossip and first option on merch for a few years. I'm not sure if losing the 2015 GF had any influence on my sale in 2017.....but it still annoys me to this day!!



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