Forum Topics 18.6 year property cycle Phil Anderson Fred Harrison
Nic123
Added 6 months ago

This is just off the web on how it has been studied on the US and Uk property markets.

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Nic123
Added 6 months ago

I was just wondering if anyone else follows the 18.6 year property cycle researched In depth by Phil Anderson and Fred Harrison.

I have only been following it the last 3 to 4 years before that I never had any knowledge of it.

It was interesting that my wife and I sold our 2 properties at the bottom of the cycle around 2010-2012 to invest in shares and rent with a family of 4 kids which was a nightmare moving dozen of times and then finally giving up and buying back in around 2022.

any how just thought I would put it out there and see if many others take any notice of it and invest with it as a guide as we know no one rings the bell at top or bottom!

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Strawman
Added 6 months ago

Your timing was almost bang on with mine @Nic123

All I'll say is, I feel your pain!

I've not heard of that property cycle, but with Aussie houses compounding at double the rate of inflation for ~30 years it doesnt seem to apply here! :)

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Jarrahman
Added 6 months ago

One thing I've learnt is that anyone can rationalise anything after they've done it...

Looking backwards through the rear vision mirror is easy enough and any economist can get the output they're after when looking in enough places and manipulating the data!

The key thing with property is to look at the right decision for you at the time you're making the decision. I'm sure that in 2010-12 your decision to move out of property and invest in shares was a well considered and reasoned decision and that's all you can do!!!

Looking forwards, I look at supply (building and development growth) and demand (access to capital, borrowing power, employment data, population).


At the end of the day, everyone wants to be in Australia - why wouldn't you at a time like this!!!

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Jarrahman
Added 6 months ago

Another thing to consider when looking at the statistics which is often overlooked is the what the stats actually measure.

One really interesting example is Hamilton Hill in WA. Around 10 years ago there was some rezoning which allowed significantly higher density where many were turning 1 block into 2, often 3 or 4.

What the stats measured is the median price of the full block selling, at say $500,000.

The next transaction for the same property was $400,000. However, that was after the property had the back yard subdivided off and retained by the owner. The market saw it as a $100,000 loss or down 20%, but in reality there was a 20% uplift because they were able to turn the $500,000 asset into something worth $700,000 by creating more value in 2 properties! The stats look at the market and think, "Market has tanked. What used to be $500,000 is now $400,000 - wow Perth must be struggling."

This has continued for years. The make up of property always has an impact on the statistics and none of the big data aggregators like REA look at this most important statistic.

I could rattle off a dozen examples of different suburbs which have this 'problem' and I wonder how that would fit into the property cycle...

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