Forum Topics REA REA Step Up

Pinned straw:

Added 5 months ago

Like most of suburban Australia, where I live there is a feral infestation of real estate agents. Saturday mornings are particularly bad with stupid wire signs poked into footpaths on every street corner directing you to the agent’s little kerfuffle called an “Open House”. Where in the front yard, beside the excessively large for sale sign is the real estate agent assistant. A young blonde chicky babe, clipboard in hand, immaculately made up, with her fulsome silicone breasts and nipples peeping from a tight black dress that extends to barely covering her arse, even in winter.  Any time a red-blooded Australian guy wanted what she has on overt display he would either talk sweetly to his spouse, go to a bar or visit the local brothel. Sex should not be confused with buying the family home.

Closer to the front door is the goon agent himself. A walking parody of what it means to be a good citizen. With shiny shoes, sports jacket and of course fashionably tieless to give an impression of friendly approachability. The cropped beard the product of many hours of lovingly looking at himself in the mirror. All togged up in a fantasy of his own importance. His immediate task is to hold open the front door and introduce himself. Like you actually want to know the prick. 

If asked anything technical or legal about the home his is selling, the response is inevitably that he is not sure, and you should speak to a building or legal expert. This is the only time you will hear him speak the truth. Truth delivered not out of moral character, but truth from ignorance. For he is typically dumb. 

On the kitchen benchtop will be the neat little piles of his printed real estate pornography. The stock in trade for the human pornographer is lingerie, deceptive camera angles, improbable storylines and shaved vaginas. For the real estate pornographer his improbable story lines starts with his fantasy sale price “guidance” and ends with feigned surprise to disappointed buyers when this is well exceeded.  And, of course for many, the connection between vaginas and real estate agents will be an obvious one.   

Like the human pornographer, the agent is soon sated and quickly moves on to his next vendor victim. And like the blackmailer of homosexuals of days past, the agent intimidates the vendor into the belief that only he can get the best price for the vendors property.  And the weird semi-consensual financial rape is repeated. Semi-consensual because the reluctant vendor is conditioned to believe there is no other option but to bend over and take it.   

Agents around Australia are typically charging commissions anywhere from 1.8% to 2.5% on the property sale price. The rate varies greatly in different parts of the country and of course you as a vendor are free to negotiate the terms with your agent. In Sydney the rates are typically 1.8% with advertising and marketing charges on top of this. With the Sydney median house price at around $1.3m, the agent sales commission is typically around $23,000.  On-line marketing businesses Realestate.com (ASX:REA) and Domain (ASX:DHG) appear to take an amount that is around 7 - 10% the size of this figure, depending the fee plan the agent is on. 

REA dominate the on-line real estate advertising having four times the visits to their sites as their nearest and only real competitor DHG.  On-line real estate advertising has become so ubiquitous that very few properties in Australia will go to market without using either REA or DHG.  Currently both REA and DHG deal exclusively through agents, and individuals cannot market your home using their websites.

Many see the key piece of the real estate marketing puzzle as not the agent, but the service provided by the likes of REA. As it says on the REA website: "When it comes to owning a property, knowledge is power". And over the last decade the public's access to that knowledge has hugely improved, both in absolute terms and relative to that available to the local real estate agent. in past years the local agent pretty much has had a lock on his local area as far as comparable sales knowledge, planning rules and general local knowledge. Information was, and still is his currency. however his currency has been severely devalued, with up-to-date sales data, planning information, comparable listings and much more all now readily available.

Buyers and sellers are no longer at the information disadvantage they once were. And REA with its on-line market dominance and trove of easily accessible information is at the center of this change 

Every day in Australia thousands of goods from antiques to livestock to cars are auctioned on line. The software is so ubiquitous and those buyers and sellers so accustomed to it, it is now just routine.  The savings for buyers and sellers not having to physically attend an auction site, and the reduction in sales friction is significant.

So why not real estate? You might argue doing so would remove the agent’s “salesmanship” and negotiation role and rob the vendor of the potential of gaining a higher price. This is just a nonsense argument as the “negotiation” is just replaced by on-line bidding, just like a physical auction.  Well, you say: what about all the other factors in a negotiation, like settlement date or what chattels might be included in the sale. Again this is either in the contract or can be put in and is reflected in the agreed price paid at an auction scenario. Or the software could easily allow for these non-dollar matters to be submitted to the vendor at the same time as the price is closed.  All this is not hard.  And yes, a person to open and lock up the house on inspection day would still be required. However he or she could be engaged on more favourable financial terms in accordance with the Door Openers Award. And if anyone is worried about the goon agent becoming unemployed, he or she could take up more honest alternate employment like selling used cars. 

REA as the leader in this field is doing just fine out of the system as it exists now. It is after all a $31b market cap company and has 5X in the last decade. REA would well understand awaiting them at some point is a larger share of commission pie by eliminating the agent from the sales process. Surely it will only likely be a matter of time before REA takes on the agents.    I suspect most vendors would be happy to pay REA double or more what REA currently charge agents to eliminate the cost inefficiencies of using agents.    

Around forty years ago the public were thoroughly brain-washed into believing that only a university qualified solicitor had the knowledge and skills undertake the weighty task of a real estate conveyance. Well, we all eventually worked out the High Priest of conveyancing was not the lawyer, but a cluey 35 year old mum in the back office. The job of conveyancing for her was just a means to put food on the table. And she went home from a day at the solicitor’s office, cooked dinner for her kids and useless husband and then worked well into the evening to make a life for her family.  And eventually the jig was up for the lawyers. The legislation was changed and quickly Conveyancers were in every suburb. Real estate transaction costs plummeted and society was better for it. 

Bank Managers, once gatekeepers of home finance and the after-hours kings of the local golf club, have in a similar way been relegated to irrelevance. In their case by regulatory change and mortgage brokers.

There are of course smaller on-line competitors out there like “forsalebyowner”, but real industry change needs the heft of the lead player, REA. And REA has the right culture to do it, given they are 61% owned by News Corp (ASX:NWS) who have a history of market disruption going back 70 years to its origins in Adelaide.  Maybe not a task for the ancient Rupert Murdoch, but you would think breaking apart the Australian real estate agent cartel is not beyond REA and NWS.  

It is not often that Australians would cheer for corporate Australia, let alone a company controlled by a Murdoch.  However, assuming at some point in the future a REA CEO has the courage and strength to initiate the above change, then a grateful population will erect their statue in Centennial Park. Beneath their stone effigy will be chiseled in granite: “This single individual did the more to reduce the price of real estate in Australia than any government policy or politician, and so saved Australian households billions of dollars and made the dream of home ownership possible for tens of thousands of Australians who never thought it imaginable.”

Once CoStar have taken over DHG and make a mess of it, REA might be in a position to make such a change.  Step up REA, Australia needs you.

Chagsy
Added 5 months ago

When bemoaning our lot in Australia, Spare a thought for US home buyers and sellers. They have to pay 4% EACH.

The market there has evolved into a situation where both the buyer and the seller need an agent. And both parties pay their agent 4% !

Unsurprisingly, there are more real estate agents per capita in the US than any other country.

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Jarrahman
Added 5 months ago

This all reminds me a bit of the old Henry Lawson vs Banjo Paterson debate — the raw bush realism of Lawson, versus Banjo’s more romantic take. Both offered a version of the truth, depending on where you stood. Same here. If you’ve had a rough run with an agent, I get the frustration. But for every bad story, there are dozens where good agents have made a real, positive difference.

REA are a great business and frustrate the hell out of me as an Agent. They charge 10x the other portals, have a business where you pay to give them information that they give away for free. And recently, they have basically forced agencies to take up a new subscription (costing circa $5000pa per office) which offers 'Vendor Leads'. REA aggregate the data and suggest to Agents those who have enquired those which may be potential sellers based on their interactions with their website. Personally, I think that is them just dipping their toe in the water and when they have a broader understanding of how activity on their website turns into sellers, then that $5k per office will turn into $5k per lead.

Tech is certainly increasing the barriers to entry as an agent making those who adopt it far more productive. Look at the sale volumes of local agents, they're doing more and more and often for a lower fee. REA are positioned here to partner with Agents, take a slice of each commission as well as taking the majority of the marketing spend.

Luckily, with the help of ChatGPT and other inputs, I have been going around the back of realestate.com and doing much more 'off market' deals linking buyers and sellers without any marketing. Buyers like the opportunity to purchase without competition and will give a strong offer, and sellers like dealing quickly and directly on their terms too.

The more REA push, the more opportunity comes for a 2nd party or Agents adapting and using other methods to sell. Is it Bezos who said "Your margin is my opportunity"?

I wonder if it will go down the route of many other consultants. Try hiring a lawyer or financial adviser on a no-sale, no-fee basis and see how far you get.

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Scoonie
Added 5 months ago

Agree, Jarrahmait’s a tough old world out there. And it’s nice to see your focus on the issues - unlike the intemperate author of the original post.  You have not got to look too far the everyday business disruptions over the last 30 years, from taxi drivers to the old-style retail shop.  All rooted.

And on the big end of the market there is Google, seen a few years ago as impenetrable with its Fairfax-of-old like rivers of advertising gold is now fighting for its life.  So who knows what’s is in store for REA.  

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JohnnyM
Added 5 months ago

I have nothing intelligent to add here other than to say, thanks @Scoonie for the very entertaining straw.

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PortfolioPlus
Added 5 months ago

Sorry Scoonie, your view of real estate agents is somewhat out of date, though your vivid & very humorous depictions do resemble a not insignificant percentage (usually the beginners who are learning their craft and need to use/invent BS stories and hide behind the chickee babe).

You are certainly correct in that the amount of preparatory data available to a would-be home purchaser is astounding. But knowledge without action/implementation is a waste of time - just as learning is not reading something, it is changing as a result of what you have read.

Yes, it should make the intending purchaser smarter and more organized – but that can change (and regularly does) 180 degrees when they inspect – because of emotions.

EMOTIONS - they apply to the property seller AND the intending property buyer, and it is the agents specific duty to get both parties to see the market reality of the situation. This requires a certain skill akin to that of a negotiator in a hostage scenario.

The percentage of home sellers who have a realistic street-smart assessment of the value of their home would be less than 10% - just about 100% of them will say their home is 'different' and worth more because of "xxxx" and usually the xxxx is something they built or added because of what they like.

The addition of a miniature grotto to a patron saint (true story) is worthless to an agnostic or atheist, though the homeowner only sees his countless hours of personal input and his religious views as been of significant value.

Then there is negotiation – which both parties abhor, plus they don’t really know the legalities or procedures on how to proceed and are flummoxed at following the set procedures. The agent becomes the ‘middleman’ to bring the matter to a successful conclusion.

Truly, there have been a number of attempts to establish a ‘sale by owner’ concept and they have met with little to no success for the reasons I have outlined (uncertainty of how to proceed and hatred of direct negotiation where thin shells are likely to be cracked and prevent a potential sale.

Agents shelter the seller from the real commentary made by the marketplace (potential buyers). If they were to hear what people actually thought of their beloved home their emotion would go into overdrive – they would tell potential buyers to ‘piss off’. But the agent wears this emotion and works to get both parties to recognize reality.

Buyers by enlarge are frozen into inaction by an inability to weigh up the benefits/features and arrive at a pragmatic price to offer.

In fact, I’d go so far as to say an inspection often sees their carefully considered set of requirements (bedrooms, bathrooms etc etc) thrown out the window. Emotion kicks in and lets face it, we buy on emotion and then use logic at a later date to justify the decision.

Often there is an emotionally laden party who just can’t decide. So, they benefit by having an agent there who can calmly get them to see the forest through the trees.

No, after 50 years of association with this industry as buyer, seller and owner of a real estate firm, I am convinced that human-kind are insufficiently sanguine on both sides to see an orderly sale by a seller to a direct buyer without intermediary assistance to trim off the rough edges.  


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Scoonie
Added 5 months ago

  PortfolioPlus  I think there is a lot in what you saying. At some point a little under 70% of Australians end up owning an asset usually worth many times their annual salary.    When it comes to transacting this many are understandably a bundle of unease and anxiety. Hence the need for someone like an agent to do some well-paid hand holding. And not surprisingly our laws and customs all support this.

By contrast it is interesting the how our society deals with anything that involves an ordinary member of the voting public versus what is categorised as “business”. For example in NSW you can build a 20 story office block without a Builder’s licence, but without a that licence go and put a single bedroom addition for another paying party and you are breaking the law.  

And of course consumer law is an infrequent visitor to the big bad world of ASX investing. There won’t be much legal restitution coming the way of us Strawman members who today had their faces rubbed in something that had the Botanix fragrance of shit. 

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Arizona
Added 5 months ago

I haven't been following the REA discussion, but I'm glad to hear someone talking about the stench emanating from the Botanix Pharma carcass.

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occy
Added 5 months ago

@PortfolioPlus My partner and I sold out property in the Hunter Valley last month. I found it to be slightly weird comments at the time but the realo on a couple occasions said to us how refreshing it was to deal with people who had realistic price expectations coupled with awareness of the flaws that our property possessed. Maybe we fell into that 10% you speak of.


Now dealing with realo's from the other side of the fence as a buyer, man it is an absolute chore. I currently dread everytime a random number pops up on my phone as we are going through the house hunt. We have cash in our pocket and time on our side (although we don't really want to be out of the property game for an extended period) so we have some flexibility. I offer up what we think the property is worth to us and roughly what we would pay but often this then leads to some agression or the agent becomes argumentative that my price isn't suitable. Fine, we will move on the next one but it isn't exactly enticing having to deal with that agent/agency in the future and have dodged open homes due to it too. I'm sure it is hard at times being the middle person as prospective clients all come in with their own personalities or tactics but I'm very much straight down the line. I just want to get as close to the truth as possible and I'll return the favour.


Anyhow, it will be interesting how things shake out for REA as they deal with the ACCC snooping around the industry and if there will be pushback from agents against what is really turning into an expensive monopoly. We had the property technically for sale "off-market" for over a month as we weren't in a rush on selling either but in the end we forked out for the listing with REA that then coincided with prospective buyers forthcoming in offers that we'd realistically accept. REA is a necessary evil currently, albeit an expensive one.

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Jarrahman
Added 5 months ago

I've worked in down markets and I've worked in up markets, I've worked in Buyer's markets and also Seller's markets. There's certainly a huge and wide range of Agents who ignore those who don't 'look' like they have the money or worse, treat them with distain. The golden rule, the only rule, is don't judge a buyer. You never know who is going to be the eventual buyer and who is going to fork out the money.

It's always nice to have a seller who actually partners up with you and trusts what you're doing. It always gets a better result. A seller who you can speak directly to and not have to dance around their sensitivities on why they think their property is better than everyone else's because they chose the tiles...

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tomsmithidg
Added 5 months ago

You're a bit of a poet yourself @Scoonie , I enjoyed your rant and got a good laugh out of it.

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