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Pinned straw:

Added 3 months ago

Reece is the latest stock to get smashed after failing to meet expectations. But as the AFR highlights, there is a lot more going on.

By the sounds of it, the earnings call was full of drama, with the CEO laying it all out in a less than strategic manner.

I have not followed Reece too closely, but this feels like yet another example of how chasing growth can end up destroying value, especially when it involves large offshore acquisitions. It also hints at deeper cultural issues within the business.

I cannot help but wonder how much of Reece's past success was a function of having a strong tailwind from decades of relentless property growth. When everyone is mad for renos after binging property porn, and cashed up with loads of equity to spend, business gets a lot easier. Not to take anything away from them, the company has clearly been run well for most of its history. But it is always easier to look good in a boom.

It makes you wonder what other companies might be exposed if the property juggernaut ever slows, although with Albo's latest housing pump scheme, that may still be a way off yet.

Solvetheriddle
Added 3 months ago

well, i wasn't going to comment on REH, just didn't want to upset the applecart, but since you brought it up SM! i just finished going through the transcript. boy oh boy, what a sxxt show.

but not entirely surprising, the interims were a warning. i am not a shareholder i did hold FND but sold when Trump came in, and i didn't know how the US 10Y would go, in the US, mortgage holders get a free option on the 30-year mortgages (Ozzie banks would hate that system). so activity comes when the refinancing cycle comes on lower rates. the housing sector over there has been thumped but in the last results commentary was mixed; some SP rose on the back of it. so REH had a mixed environment.

but it goes beyond macro, at the interims it was revealed the seller of the water biz, has poached what looks like a lot of staff from REH and has come at them strong, which has not slowed down. the commentary was things like, we have the worst house on the best street, a lot of work is needed, this is a multi-decade play, competitors are bigger, more efficient and aggressive etc etc. The weak player loses in sector downturns (thats REH US), no sign of upturn in activity and it went on.

The Aussie business has been the jewel, i always thought on the back of exclusive distribution rights and store density. again, here, management backtracked and SH margins were very weak, blaming Victoria, WFH and a revitalised Tradelink (which has been a pushover for decades)

no easy fixes here and another example of waiting for an operational turn has trumped (excuse the pun) those looking as a buy the dip LT value strategy.

valuation?

can they turn this around? recent results call into question whether this is a top-quality company, so i would be cautious. there are easier stories, maybe below $10 i would have a look, have to run a scenario of little margin improvement in the medium term, in reality, there are better US housing plays on the NYSE


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topowl
Added 3 months ago

Makes me wonder if we should all just sell any of our holdings that haven’t had their earnings released yet….and that we know haven’t smashed it out of the park…lol

#grumpymarket

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thunderhead
Added 3 months ago

Yep. I enjoyed Aussie Broadband's gains today, but it was partially offset by this drop. I need to get onto listening to the call, as it looks like one of those "marquee" ones (but not for the right reasons as a investor).

With Reece, thankfully I took some profits in the mid 20s - I was loathe to sell out of it all as the company had performed admirably for a long time and had many of the qualities you look for in a "forever" kind of holding. Selling out completely would have been the right thing to do while the valuation was at nosebleed levels. The shares are not far from roundtripping all the way to Covid crash levels, which means 5 years of going nowehere.

This reporting season has been a tale of big moves in either direction for me. Thankfully, my weighting towards the holdings that did well means I still come out favourably thus far, with a few days to go.

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thunderhead
Added 3 months ago

Also, on the topic of bad macro and a weak housing market (to @Strawman's original post), I don't think that's the whole story here - Reece's primary competitor in the US, Ferguson (which I also hold shares in directly) seems to be performing well despite the challenging backdrop, and as of the last report, seems to be hitting its stride after a few weak quarters.

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