Forum Topics Long-term shareholder returns
SayWhatAgain
Added a month ago

Hey @Strawman , thank you for your weekend wrap and that paper! Impressive study and includes us! “In Australia, 52.8% of stocks underperform Treasury bills over their lifetimes, yet the market as a whole generates substantial wealth due to a small number of exceptional performers, particularly in mining and financials.” No surprises, BHP, CBA, banks, CSL, FMG create more than 70% of the wealth (well, CSL may have dropped down the list since). Their bootstrap simulations are interesting, essentially showing that diversification in the ASX is essential: holding 1 company is almost like buying a lottery ticket, if you bought the handful of the exceptional performers (BHP, CBA, etc) back in the 90s (start of their simulation), then you would be doing super, but how would you have known back then? If you held the ASX200 (was VAS around then?), the expected outcome would be a 95% chance you beat T-bills. My takeaway from this is to have a part of your portfolio in broad index ETFs (VAS, IVV, VEU...) and then do the work to build a well diversified portfolio of 15-30 high conviction positions - small and micro caps that are high growth, volatile, highly skewed, then hold them for a few decades and accept that around 70% of those will underperform. Sounds easy...?? :-0

I've been reading David Gardner's 'Rule Breaker Investing', which I am enjoying and would recommend to all STRAWMEN if you haven't read it.

The paper was such good timing 'cause it resonates well with what David writes---among the rule-breaker rules, he suggests aiming for 60% accuracy! Enjoy the weekend.

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lankypom
Added a month ago

My portfolio is bifurcated like I have never witnessed in my 12 years of investing. I have 18 direct investments in companies, roughly equally split between Australia and the US. 6 of these have seen their share prices decline dramatically this year, despite their financial performance leading me to continue holding them with high conviction:

The Trade Desk - 64% off 52-week high. Q4 FY25 revenue growth was 22% vs PCP, but this was the first time almost forever that the company missed its guidance, triggering a big sell off. Q1 revenue grew 25% and Q2 revenue grew 19%, ahead of guidance, but the share price continued to decline because of perceived competitive threats, particularly from Amazon.

Atlassian - Continues to report revenue growth around 20% vs pcp each quarter, continues to affirm a 3 year revenue CAGR of 20%, has been an early adopter of AI in its product suite, has been very successful in migrating on premise customers to the cloud, and will repeat this process with data centre customers over the next 4-5 years, which should result in margin expansion.Yet the share price is down 48% from its 52-week high, which is a mystery to me.

Adobe - Q1 revenue was a record, with 10% growth vs pcp, Q2 was another record with 11% revenue growth, yet the share price is 39% off its 52 week high, mainly due to fears that generative AI is a threat (despite Adobe being quick to embed AI its entire product suite), also fears of increasing competition from Canva, Figma and the like.

CSL - share price is 38% off 52 week high, mainly due to stalled revenue growth particularly in its vaccine business, but no-one seems to doubt the company will still be around in 5-10 years and still a market leader.

Wisetech - financially the company is going from strength to strength, dominates its market and is moving into adjacent markets through smart acquisitions, yet the shenanigans of its CEO dominate the headlines and are behind a 51% decline from its 52-week high share price.

Polynovo - still in the early stages of its growth trajectory, routinely reports record revenue months, but has had a revolving door of CEOs which may account for the 44% decline in share price from its 52-week high.

I have held all these companies for at least 3 years but some as long as 12 years. So ⅓ of my direct holdings are down 40% or more whilst I have owned them, yet my portfolio is at an all time high!

This is because on the other side of the equation I am a long term holder of Nvidia, Amazon, Google and Microsoft, all of which have been major beneficiaries of AI. Closer to home Codan has also gone from strength to strength, but this time due to increased military budgets and a surge in the gold price.

Whilst my personal experience backs up the general view that the magnificent seven are propping up the rest of the market in the US, I am mystified why other companies which are still growing healthily have been penalised. As long as the thesis isn't broken I will remain a long term holder of all these companies (I am very much in the David Gardner camp), but these sure seem like strange times. I rely on my portfolio to sustain my retirement lifestyle, so I keep three years of living expenses in cash as a sanity buffer, whilst the market does its thing.

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nessy
Added a month ago

@lankypom I feel your pain! I have had a few similar, although fortunately I have held long enough so that I am still well in front on many fronts. @Strawman and many others bang on about valuation, and for good reason. Yes, companies can be growing really well as you point out, but if they slow even just a minute amount they can get punished, especially in the US market. I had a quick look at the PE's for your list and they are mostly pretty high (even after the drops) and this is likely the reason for some of the retreat, even more so if they are up against massive competitors like TTD with Amazon.

The question is to continue holding or not! And that comes down to your conviction. I still hold CSL well in profit but I must admit my conviction has been rocked somewhat in the last 6 months. My thesis is not broken but it certainly gets shaken by ridiculous things like anti-vaxers in the US having a massive impact on a vaccine business. Who would have thought!

Nessy

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