Forum Topics The 7 Stages of how every reserve currency collapses.
Seymourbutts
Added 2 months ago

Giving this great forum thread/discussion a nudge and bump again.

I listened to The Intelligent Investors latest podcast episode over the weekend: 'The Fat Pitch'. If you jump to about 28 minutes in they discuss the USD Reserve status - what took me by surprise was that Gaurav reckons the USD loses it's reserve status this year - big call.

Some of the discussion centres around us actually being at 'Stage 6' - the search for alternative's is now (well) underway with Gold and Silver going on arguably their biggest runs ever. Further, the US seems to be pushing more and more towards an Autocracy, and you essentially have a US-backed militia intensifying their presence domestically. Even Ray Dalio came out this morning (US Time) and has said that the US is a "tinderbox" and that they need to be careful not to spiral into a Civil War.

All heavy, heavy stuff - but this is literally playing out. Now, I know it's easy to make judgements and assessments based off media reports, but where there is smoke there is fire, or at least something that is smoldering.

Is anyone doing anything differently in the last 12 months, or even more recently than that to further hege/protect themselves?

Personally, I'm still going about my business, but have been holding more AUD, buying more BTC - finding it very difficult to buy more gold at these levels.

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Seymourbutts
Added 2 months ago

And yes I am a sucker for following the macro.

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Lewis
Added 2 months ago

@Seymourbutts, I'm not doing anything differently, I find myself being more interested and aware of it than ever though. Someone wise said on a podcast recently that it pays to be a student of history. History suggests it's not "if" USD looses reserve currency status but "when", but there is also global momentum and network effects in play. Despite Elon's best (worst) efforts he wasn't able to kill twitter. Trump is doing his best but killing the USD is still a tall order. For me whether or not this series of events is enough to pivot the global economy is still a big, big *if*. And *if* it is, then I think it slowly unwinds over decades in unpredictable ways so will be hard to trade anyway. I'll continue to watch on with fascination and make sure my portfolio has some diversity and resilience tucked away for a rainy day.


Edit - I just reminded myself I made a small allocation to a bitcoin ETF not long after this thread initially took off, so I guess I have done something small in response.

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Strawman
Added 2 months ago

Me too @Seymourbutts, macro is just super fascinating, even though I don't think you can easily trade it. It's the timing thats the (extremely) hard part. And my thinking pretty much aligns with yours @Lewis

But I think macro does have value in helping you know what to avoid. For me, the lessons from history suggest that in the latter stages of a debt and currency crisis (if, like Dalio, that's what you think is happening) cash and bonds become toxic.

I also think you want to avoid financial entities like banks (especially banks), hedge funds, insurance companies and the like, as well as anything tied to discretionary retail or commercial property sectors. In fact, any company with a fairly leveraged balance sheet is worth avoiding (utility-like operations with long dated debt may be a possible exception). These institutions are always the first to get crushed by vanishing liquidity.

What you want to favour are things that have genuine value and dont just rest on paper promises.

Hard Assets like gold are the traditional go to. It's had a great run, but I doubt it's anywhere near done.

Unlevered (or conservatively levered) productive businesses are also great. Especially things like defensive industrial companies that enjoy reasonably consistent demand. (In 1931, even as the Reich verged on bankruptcy, leaders in chemicals and engineering stayed on top because they had real productive capacity independent of a failing banking system)

Quality Land and commodities can be good too, even if nominal prices drop during a deflationary spiral, as they can retain their actual purchasing power while paper claims are being annihilated.

Of course, a strong pivot to an ultra defensive stance has risks too. Namely, that we muddle along for longer than people think (which often happens). And you can experience "melt ups" before any crisis point is reached, as cheap money and desperate policy inflates all assets.

It's all super tricky of course. I just don't want to be one Truth social post away from disaster.

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Clio
Added 2 months ago

I might be the last to pick this up, but about 4 days ago, the BRICS announced their new trading currency. Imaginatively called the UNIT. 40% tied to the gold price and the other 60% to a basket of their currencies.

With Brazil, China, Egypt, Ethiopia, India, Indonesia, Iran, Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, and the United Arab Emirates now in BRICS, that’s a fair whack of the world’s trade right there.

And I assume the recent EU-Mercosur deal, as well as the just inked EU-India deal will be denominated in Euros.

Looks like the move away from the USD as the world’s reserve currency is well underway.

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Lewis
Added 5 months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYJri1eNRyc&t=949s

This will be old news for some (gold bugs and bit coiners no doubt), but above is a half hour video that nicely lays out the thesis that there are 7 stages to every reserve currency, and we're currently in stage 5 and heading for stage 6. It neatly explains why present day gold, shares, property and bitcoin are all on the rise together (stage 6 loss of confidence and search for alternatives). It also gives some hints as to what the future may hold over the next few decades. Spoiler alert, no one looks ready to take over as reserve currency, the global economy likely bifurcates into USD in the americas, Euro in Europe and the Chinese Yuan in Asia, with gold spanning the gaps (or digital gold I guess). Alternate stores of wealth and productive assets are a better place to be than reserve currency cash or bonds (preaching to the choir I suspect).


The 7 Stages of Reserve Currencys:

Stage 1 Military dominance and trade route control,

Stage 2 Massive trade surplus,

Stage 3 Reserve status formalised,

Stage 4 Deficit spending and living beyond means

Stage 5 Currency debasement and money printing

(we are apparently here)

Stage 6 Loss of confidence and search of alternatives

Stage 7 replacement and collapse.


The timeline covered:

Portuguese Real - 80 years (1450-1530)

Dutch Guilder - 80 years (1640-1720)

British Pound - 105 years (1815-1920)

US Dollar - 81 years (1944-2025.

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Clio
Added 5 months ago

Thanks for that @Lewis - excellent find, a great presentation. Very clear. That said, although the title says Stage 5, in the video itself, he makes it fairly clear that the USD is already in (the early stages of) Stage 6 - Loss of Confidence and the Search for Alternatives. Given recent global money flows and recent contracts (e.g. BHP's latest with China being partly in Yuan), Stage 6 seems pretty clearly to be unfolding.

The one question the presentation left me with was: Does the Australian RBA hold any USD reserves? Anyone know?

And if so, why???

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Clio
Added 5 months ago

Thanks, @BigStrawbs70 - and lo and behold, the RBA publishes a Balance Sheet online.

https://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/balance-sheet/

That's as of 12/11/25. The total value of assets is shown as ~ 400 billion, presumably AUD.

The tab under Official Reserve Assets (left side bar) leads to this: https://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/frequency/reserve-assets.html

Which separates the foreign assets from Gold but doesn't break it down by country. Total Official Reserve Assets (as of end October) was 107 billion.

Assuming Gemini's figures are correct, then the RBA Official Reserve Assets are ~ 33% US at the moment.


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Chagsy
Added 5 months ago

I’m pretty sure someone else posted about the following before, and many years ago, I mentioned Lyn Alden as an interesting thinker on this subject.

Am I imaging it or did someone recently read “Broken Money” ? Her book on the subject.

One really needs to zoom out and take a historical perspective when thinking on this subject. I find it fascinating but it’s easy to become chicken little and make some bad decisions as a result. Or just embrace cognitive dissonance as it’s all too hard. Timing and portfolio positioning are everything I suppose, but getting that right for all scenarios is really, really tricky.

I am off to the pub and hence choosing cognitive dissonance as my preferred strategy

have a great weekend!

c


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Lewis
Added 5 months ago

@Chagsy, I don't think there are many new ideas in economics, I'm sure it gets talked about constantly. I'm with you on the timing, you could make a move today and wait a few lifetimes for it to play out.

I like your short term strategy too, sounds like a plan.

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Strawman
Added 4 months ago

Great find @Lewis. Right up my alley.

Re the RBA balance sheet @Clio, the fact it is in negative equity to the tune of $20b is hilarious. Of course, it's not a problem. But the reason it's not a problem is what I find amusing :)

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SayWhatAgain
Added 4 months ago

Thanks @Lewis, good find! I asked my PA to look for some numbers ;-)

RBA reserves (Oct): A$107B total. FX: A$63B (59%), gold A$14B, SDRs A$20B, IMF A$3.6B, other A$5.3B.

Balance sheet (12 Nov): Gold+FX A$111B—includes repos/swaps excluded from official count.

US: ~USD245B total. FX only USD39B (16%), rest SDRs+IMF (USD~200B). US holds almost no own USD in reserves; RBA’s FX likely ~60% USD = ~A$38B.

Negative equity A$4.2B on BS—no issue for a central bank…the’ll just leave the printer on…

Stage 5 confirmed!

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