Forum Topics The Growth Pull Back and the influence of Style Investing
Solvetheriddle
Added 4 weeks ago

THE GROWTH SELL-OFF and the influence of STYLE INVESTING

After the results season, I wrote a piece on SM titled “Result Season Lessons for Me”. The upshot was what I saw as the early signs of a sector rotation and the potential underperformance of quality growth stocks, which comprise a significant portion of my portfolio.

Below is a table comparing the performance of my benchmark to the pride of the fleet (IMO) of Australian quality growth stocks. As we can see, almost without exception, there is solid underperformance. My benchmark is equal-weighted, not market-cap-weighted, as I have previously covered the reasons for this approach.

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So what's going on here to get this widespread negativity? The concept of Style Investing is useful in this regard, imo. I first came across style investing when doing the CFA course from 1998-2000. There is a book by Bernstein called Style Investing if you want to go down the rabbit hole.

In summary, it abstracts away from individual stocks and concentrates on various styles as the main driver of share prices, especially in the medium term. The main various styles are value/growth, large/small cap, low beta/high beta, and high quality/low quality.

When one style is winning, the other is losing. The main driver of that under or out performance is the abundance of earnings growth. In this context, earnings growth is a relative concept. If we have a market with limited earnings growth, investors are willing to bid up that scarce resource and secular growers' PEs go much higher. As earnings become more abundant, for example, in a stronger economy, where everyone is making money, investors are less likely to pay up for these secular growers. That confounds many investors who see no change in the underlying growth of the quality grower. The change is relative, not absolute, and that’s enough in the medium term. The impact is felt on PE ratios.

Of course, there will be investors who will go through the above list and say there is a reason for the underperformance for every stock mentioned. Style Investing would disagree with that approach. It is clear that sometimes poor news is handled much better than at other times by high PE stocks, and the relative earnings growth is the reason Style Investing points to.

That leads to can you predict changes in relative earnings growth to make money out of this. Unfortunately, IMO, I think this is another previously successful investing style that has suffered in the post-GFC era. To be clear, I think the predictive power has diminished, and it is most useful in explaining the past.

In the “old days”, when the yield curve was determined by the market, not the Fed, it gave off information. (I hope someone is finding this as interesting as I do, lol). The information was garnered by the slope and absolute level of interest rates, but mainly changes to the slope, which I will discuss here. Mainly, this is measured by the US 10-year less the 3m bill or 2Y bond, so looking at changes in the yield curve. The significance is that a flat or flattening yield curve signals hard times ahead for earnings growth. You may be aware of the “recession predictors” that economists spoke to in 2022. A flat yield curve is great for secular growers as it indicates a lack of earnings growth, maybe a recession. Obviously, a highly positive yield curve is bad for secular growers as it indicates abundant earnings growth and pressure on the high PEs that secular growers usually hold.

Looking at changes in the yield curve over the last 6 months, we see no indication that high PE stocks should have sold off. If anything, the yield curve has been supportive of growth with the long bond, 90-day bill, and 2Y bond spreads holding in the case of the 10Y/2Y and tightening for the 10Y/bill by 25bp. Intriguing, as I said, the predictive power has almost disappeared since the GFC (as with many other indicators-beware, I know I've said this many times before).

So where does that leave us? We can also see that Australia has been hit more than the US, at this stage. The Australian market is unusual in that it has a large number of low-returning companies and a few quality companies that trade with scarcity premiums. If relative earnings momentum changes, it can make high P/E stocks vulnerable to style or sector rotation. Changes to relative earnings growth will then move SP and inevitably trigger the momentum trade, which can lead anywhere, especially to excess.  That is, we have a large low-return sector that, if it can close the earnings gap, even for a while, will drain funds from the secular growers, and I think that is what we are seeing here. I can see many Insto moving at the first signs of pain.

It is occurring in the US as well, but is nascent at this stage. The vulnerable sector in the US is the magnificent 7, which have dominated earnings growth in the past 10 years or so, and deserve their premium, imo. But when I hear Bessent say he wants Main St, not Wall St, to win, I hear we want earnings growth to be spread (more abundant) to the lower quality businesses. If successful, and it is a big if, especially in the longer term, imo, it will pressure growth multiples as earnings growth becomes more abundant.

As further proof, I need look no further than my own portfolio, my best performing stocks since FY end have been the ones that have given the most grief over the last few years, IEL, DDR and MIN, all up strongly. I can also see that I am underperforming my b/m for the first time since 2022 due to the rotation. Not significant, at this stage, but signs of change, and could persist.

Implications? What to do?

So far, we have seen a moderate pullback in quality growers as per the above. It is not a route so far. Could it become a route? Possibly, depending on the size and longevity of attractive growth outside of the secular grower stocks.

Personally, I am taking a longer-term view and slowly starting to acquire those that have pulled back. Having due regard that many think this rotation has a long way to go. So I will stagger these purchases. I have started to cover the ones I sold at higher prices that looked like expensive levels. And will continue to allocate more. The strategy here is that we live in a world where growth will become difficult to generate in the LT, and secular growers will be in demand.  If Trump and his band of merry men happen to reignite the boom-bust cycle, which cyclicals and low-returning companies love, then I will reassess.

So I have added TNE for the first time since they were under $10, bought back some RMD, LOV, ALL, REA and added a little bit of WTC. HUB hasn’t fallen enough yet. We shall see. As I said several months ago, I am psychologically prepared for the toughest relative performance I have seen in a few years, and it may go on for a while.

That’s all I Good luck.

BTW @Rick , you should be too unhappy with your CDA looking at the above, ????

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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tomsmithidg
Added 4 weeks ago

Ah yes @Solvetheriddle , great piece, but what 'style' are we rotating to? Looking at how @Bear77 is tracking I'd hazard a guess at gold stocks, so what style is that and how long for I wonder?

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Solvetheriddle
Added 4 weeks ago

@tomsmithidg one of the good things i find about SM, is that just going through the motion of writing down your thoughts or thesis brings about the next layer of questions or feedback. which can be a reality check, lol. After i wrote this, i thought about that same question. Then I thought a great task for my friend Gemini.

it brought up a piece from broker Wilson's, the relevant bits were that after 3 years of negative earnings, the ASX is expected to generate 12% earnings growth, so that definitely means closing the relative gap to the secular growers, which supports the argument of the compression in high PEs for those stocks. where is that earnings growth emanating from, and how long will it last? Gold is an obvious one, and although i hold GOLD, FNV and WPM (as previously disclosed) I've got no idea where the gold price is going from here. The undervaluation has disappeared IMO. commodities are inherently tricky.

The rest seems to be spread amongst non-bank, non-resources ex top 20. im surprised about resources as the fund managers seem to be upbeat on resources, but some of that probably stems from short covering (versus the benchmark) and fleeing from hiding in CSL that didn't work for them. i haven't got a great feel for the more cyclical stocks, like retail building/housing, or anything exposed to the domestic economy. the stocks i am mainly interested in grow regardless of the economy, to a certain extent. im grasping at straws here because my coverage is not a large (and won't be these days). But I feel there was a catch-up, due to these low-returning stocks being left behind by so much over the last 3 years. the elastic band had been stretched. maybe the Feb results season will tell us more. FY26 has much to play out. and the last 10 years or so have seen the lower-returning stocks keep being low-returning stocks (nPAT/SHF). rallies have been short-lived. at this stage, im in the it's an opportunity in growth camp, but let's see what the rest deliver. im sceptical.


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Strawman
Added 4 weeks ago

Great post @Solvetheriddle

I just posted about a piece on the shift to Fiscal Dominance that dovetails a little with this idea of helping main st win. (Although "winning" is probably not the best descriptor.. maybe losing less badly is better?)

Maybe valuations are still stretched for the names you mentioned, at least when viewed through a historical context, but they are all high quality names and their secular growth potential probably deserves a decent premium. Especially In a world where policy makers will try at all cost to avoid any market dislocations.

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Rick
Added 2 weeks ago

@Solvetheriddle@mikebrisy I’m also watching the high quality growth stocks with great interest and TNE is on my radar. I have another theory why these stocks are copping a caning. I think they were simply overpriced and now they are correcting. For instance, TNE at its all time highs was trading on a PE of 100! Historically TNE has traded on a PE of approx 50. So in a space of 2 years the PE ratio literally double.13acdb346c552a8eadcb5bf5fa5156596b1615.jpeg

Source: Simply Wall Street

Is this because the business improved significantly? I don’t think so. Perhaps TNE after expanding globally has significantly extended its growth runway? Yet the growth fundamentals are on the same trajectory as they were previously.

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Source: Commsec

There’s no doubt this is a wonderful business! Going on consensus, FY26 earnings are likely to be approx $0.49 per share, that puts FY26 ROE at approx 40%, higher than it’s been for a few years. Assuming PE comes back to its historical 50 times, that puts TNE on a valuation of $24.50.

If I use McNiven’s formula assuming shareholder equity of $1.16 (book value), future ROE of 40%, with 37% of earnings reinvested at 40%, dividends franked at 65%, at a share price of $25 I could expect an annual return of 6.5%. TNE still doesn’t scream cheap at $25 per share according to this formula, but that’s not unusual for quality high growth stocks on the ASX.

Now that the market has a memory that TNE reached over $42 per share, at $27 and a PE of 55, TNE is starting to look cheap. But is it really? A PE of 55 is still above historical PE ratios.

Having said all this, I will also be taking a nibble around $25 if it gets there, There aren’t too many businesses like TNE on the ASX.

Not held

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Solvetheriddle
Added 2 weeks ago

@Rick , yes, I don't think what you're saying isn't different; it's the same in a different guise. i wrote a piece about a week ago on this: what gets PE's high? Lots of things, but relative earnings growth is a big one. That is when most companies are growing at zero, something growing at 15% PA gains a large valuation, but when the relative earnings growth narrows, the excess valuation becomes vulnerable. The next question is, is the growth in the lower quality companies sustainable and therefore more pressure on high Pe's (rotation)? so ill be looking at the upcoming results season. What I expect to see is poor companies improving, but still poor companies, or no real increase in returns for the poor companies. We shall see. Unless there is a secular change that leads to low-returning companies gaining a new lease of life, then the high-quality growers will regain their crown at some stage. The issue is relative earnings growth. We are seeing a similar but on a smaller scale in the US atm. Oz has a big, low-quality contingent versus the US.

The whole story since the GFC has been a lack of widespread growth, favouring secular growth companies, dispersed with short sharp spells of mean reversion (when the value factor rallies). i think we are seeing another one, but the facts will tell, and the facts in this case are sustainable earnings growth.

That's my rant, could be wrong

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Rick
Added 2 weeks ago

@Solvetheriddle yes, we are both thinking of intrinsic value just through a different lens! On the same page! Looking forward to your presentation! Cheers!

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mikebrisy
Added 2 weeks ago

@Rick you may well be right. Ultimately, whether it is overpriced at P/E well over 50 comes down to how long they can grow strongly with a decent ROIC.

Is the current quality tech sector downwards rotation a temporary change in where funds are flowing elsewhere or the market more structurally calling these high PE stocks overvalued and returning to a more sustainable basis of valuation? I guess we’ll all know over time as ever.

If I look at my last valuation on here, and just update it by passage of time, I get a valuation range of $22.70 - $29.20, assuming P/Es in 2030 ranging from 35 to 45, so I think we are all in the same ballpark on this one.

These calcs use a WACC (discount rate) of 10%, and I think there is a strong argument that given its main defensive customer verticles (government, education), and stability/visibility or earnings, the business justifies a lower discount rate … 8.5% to 9% …. or lower.

So I’m pretty comfortable picking up more at $25-26. Perhaps the current rotation has further to run, and I will get the opportunity soon.

Certainly, when $TNE got up above $40 last year it was significantly overvalued IMO, which is why I lightened my position (one third) and am now looking to top up again at the right price.

But one thing I will not do is wait for this one to be "cheap" … I’m happy to settle for a great company at a fair price.

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Rick
Added 2 weeks ago

@mikebrisy what is a dollar or two when it comes to a business like TNE? :)

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mikebrisy
Added 2 weeks ago

That’s very fair, and a question I am constantly asking myself. A dollar is 3.5% and $2 is 7%.

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