Forum Topics Future of SAAS SW Companies
Solvetheriddle
Added a month ago

Many posts and podcasts are pointing out that Anthropic and OpenAI are still advertising/hiring administrators for software they are supposed to be replacing, such as CRM. Anecdotal but interesting.

The other thing to keep in mind is that although this technology will prove transformational over time, Anthropic just raised $30b (a record for a unporfitable start up?) and OpenAI is just behind them (in time, not raise size), so they are both in peak marketing of their potential uses phase.

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lankypom
Added a month ago

This Livewire article provides a useful if simple framework for evaluating the resilience of SaaS companies in the light of the AI threat.

I like it if only because of confirmation bias - I own several of the companies in this list:

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lankypom
Added a month ago

The latest podcast from Intelligent Investor - Stock Take: Sell off as a Service - gives the views of these techno-bears on the SaaSpocalypse.

TLDR:

  • Identifying the likely winners and losers is not a game they are willing to play, the future is too uncertain;
  • The sell off has brought valuations down from the outlandish to the merely expensive (TNE, XRO, WTC, PME,...)
  • SaaS companies are still disliked by these value investors because of their aggressive accounting policies:
  • Capitalising of R&D
  • Excluding stock based compensation as a real cost to the business
  • The only ASX tech stocks they like are ones that aren't SaaS businesses - CAR and REA

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JohnnyM
Added a month ago

Cheers @lankypom I thought the discussion around a Framework for thinking about Investing in SaaS was useful, even if they are not interested just yet. Let's hope those outlandish prices keeping falling through being merely expensive and down to something resembling value.

If so the framework the TII guys discussed was. Is the Software..............

Mission Critical? The deeper the software sits in core operations or compliance, the harder it is to rip out and the longer the duration of cash flows.

Platform or Tool? Platforms with ecosystems and network effects are structurally harder to disrupt than standalone feature products.

Vertical or Horizontal? Vertical software embeds domain expertise and regulatory complexity, like Wisetech in Logistics; horizontal software is more exposed to commoditisation.

Who’s the Customer? Governments and large enterprises create inertia and switching costs; consumers create churn risk.

Pricing Power Under Pressure? If AI lowers barriers or reduces seat counts for SaaS models, pricing power and margins may compress, even without outright disruption.

Am I Paid for the Uncertainty? When terminal value risk rises, multiples should fall — a 50x “great business” is not the same as a 15x one in a regime shift.

Cheers

JM

Thanks to Chatty for the summary of the Framework.. even if I had to send him back to his desk 3 times to rework an even shorter summary!!

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RogueTrader
Added a month ago

'Stock Take' from Intelligent Investor always worth a listen:

Stock Take: Sell off as a Service

Nick Cummings and Gaurav Sodhi join John Addis on this week's episode of Stock Take to discuss reporting season and the SaaS-pocalypse.

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Solvetheriddle
Added a month ago

The graph below was presented by Ben Clark from TMS and is from GS. I suspect that many of us can feel the pain. This is a relative graph and shows the extent of the damage to capital light, s/w, data, service, platform etc stocks versus the capital heavy, plant and infrastructure style stocks. This is usually low-returning versus high-returning companies, and therefore the LT o/p by the high-returning companies. All the gains reversed, almost 20 years of gains undone in a few months. astonishing. It is a global phenomenon


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Raseekingalpha
Added a month ago

this ca also be looked as that the curren fire sale which happened over last 4 months is making Saas in oversold territory.

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Slomo
Added a month ago

It's a visceral visual @Solvetheriddle.

Puts it in perspective.

"There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen" - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov Lenin

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