Forum Topics The Economics of AI
lankypom
Added 4 weeks ago

Meanwhile, Anthropic have just released a plugin for Claude Cowork to do equity research.

https://claude.com/plugins/equity-research


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Solvetheriddle
Added 4 weeks ago

I wasn't going to comment on this article, but now I can't resist. Firstly, i didint finish it, id had enough. i think it says more about the state of skittishness (or FUD as SM would say) in the market that this article got so much airtime than anything else. as ive written here before with Ai there is endless scenarios you can paint, and this is one of the darkest. IMO the stuff served up here ranges from possible to fantasy. the equivalent of going to a beach that just suffered a horrendous shark attack and yelling "shark" and watching the ensuing chaos..

People can do whatever they choose (and they will), i choose to listen carefully to the main players and see how the narrative changes. Take the Dwarkest podcast with Dario recently. Now he has his $30B in, he started backpeddling a little talked about the risks of timing demand and the lack of diffusion of AI into the economy. we shall see

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mikebrisy
Added 4 weeks ago

@Solvetheriddle I read it in the same spirit as someone growing up in Europe post-WWII might have read Orwell's "1984' as they reflected on European fascism and Stalinist Russia.

(I guess a key difference is that, in the case of novel, much of it appears to actually be coming true as we watch the current Great Power antics. ... Must remember to buy my popcorn for SOTU later today!)

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Lewis
Added 4 weeks ago

Great book. Although some read it as a warning, some read it as an instruction manual. I first read it as Trump's prospects for President went from joke to reality in 2016, it was somewhat prophetic with the death of truth.

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Bushmanpat
Added 4 weeks ago

If I happen to post "SHARK" in a forum, it will be a subtle reference to this post.

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Chagsy
Added a month ago

I have to admit I’ve had half a bottle of wine so am presuming I’m a bit more susceptible to an argument than usual. Still, there was very little in this (very long) narrative that didn’t seem plausible. Perhaps the timeline is accelerated, but other than that it is dangerously realistic

Have to read it again without the aid of the Argentinian Malbec

Well worth the time

https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic

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Clio
Added a month ago

@Chagsy - Yikes! I don't think your reaction had anything to do with the Malbec.

Thanks for the tip. Definitely worth reading, even if just to make one focus on what companies will not be touched much, or at least not soon.

I've started to pick up comments from the US along the lines of: Is AI a mistake? (Animal Spirits podcast, Ep452). And elsewhere, too. Those who take the broader view.

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mikebrisy
Added 4 weeks ago

@Chagsy great article … cited in this morning’s WSJ market wrap.

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Strawman
Added 4 weeks ago

As soon as i read "bear porn" and "AI doomer fan-fiction" i knew i had to read this piece @Chagsy

Wild stuff.

I actually spent a bit of time on the weekend standing up an openCLAW instance on a VPS. Before you mistake me as someone who knows what I'm doing on the technical front, let me dissuade you of that notion! BUT, the fact i could actually do it in the first place (with the aid of AI, of course) shows you how valuable this tech is. And while it's still early days the "agent" AI experience, one with a persistence of memory and automation, is clearly a game changer.

Of course, as you may have read, openCLAW has a lot of rough edges and risks (it's open source with lots of community made skills) and it seems to hit a lot of walls for me. But i get the same sense i did in 2023 when i first used chatGPT, ie. not perfect, but incredible potential. Well worth a play if you are interested (just be careful!).


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twee
Added 4 weeks ago

If you found @Chagsy article interesting (I tapped out 5 paras in) I recommend a 2016 book called age of em https://ageofem.com/. It basically uses basic economics to lay out societal changes if we could create human like intelligence on silicon. Perhaps less investing relevant but more economicly sound and logically consistent than the citrin piece. Both are intellectual self indulgence but I'm a sucker for sci-fi.

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Slomo
Added a month ago

Like everyone else I’ve been thinking a lot about AI disruption lately.

Keen to get input from the Strawman intelligentsia on this too, so please share any insights / rebuttals!

I’ve tried to be systematic about this and have split my pursuits into 2 areas – 1) how I can and should be using it personally and professionally – including to Equity Research and 2) how it will likely impact businesses and therefore investing over the LT.

On point 2, I have tried to go back to first principles and build an understanding of the underlying Economics of AI.

I’m still very much learning about all of this so putting thoughts on paper here more than anything else…

Solutions vs Systems

One framework suggests there are 2 aspects to how AI Affects the economics of a business and its products. Firstly Solutions, secondly Systems.

For Solutions, a business can (will need to) apply AI capabilities to its products and how it delivers these to customers to make them faster, more effective, more customisable by end users, etc – this will mean making and delivering them with less human intervention and therefore less cost.

For Systems, a business will put AI at the centre of how its operates and the products it develops and how these are delivered. This is a simple but very important distinction which comes down to the economics of AI.

What starting with AI really allows you to do is to decouple prediction from judgement in decision making. This is likely too hard in existing organisations where these are bundled in people, process, departments, all the way up to the CEO. Much better to start with an AI centric structure and as the cost of prediction goes to zero and speed and accuracy improve massively, add judgement on top to arrive at better decisions, better products and an organisation that is leaner, more scalable and cheaper to run.

The Innovator's Dilemma

I was thinking how this could apply to PME (same goes for WTC). PME is the leader in their field by some distance, they are AI enabled and use it extensively so seem well placed to capitalise on the opportunity and defend against the treats from AI.

However, they are still vulnerable to Clayton Christensen’s The Innovator's Dilemma (1997) This explains why leading companies fail by doing "everything right"—listening to customers and focusing on profitable, high-end products. These firms neglect disruptive, low-end innovations that eventually improve, steal market share, and displace them. Successful firms must embrace, rather than ignore, these disruptive technologies.

In this case AI native businesses / products can in theory quickly and cheaply service customers at the lower end of the food chain with a cheaper, low spec product that is good enough for them. Over time, they add capabilities (and collect data) so that they can more effectively compete with the larger incumbents. AI should speed up this Innovator's Dilemma process – potentially a lot depending on how well the incumbent’s economic moat holds.

Some Examples

Here PME (or WTC) could spin up an AI native department / division / business unit to devise AI centric products to segment the market (become the Jetstar to their Qantas). This would compete head to head with any new AI startups / upstarts at the cheaper end of the market and should do well given their existing internal data set and industry expertise. It also leaves the legacy, premium, high cost, high spec, highly profitable Visage (Cargowise) business in tact meaning they don’t need to disrupt themselves too much too fast. This would also provide valuable lessons on how to evolve (or rebuild) the legacy business with emerging AI tech over time.

Same goes for TNE.

Same goes for … KYP?

See separate post under KYP thread here for more -  https://strawman.com/forums/topic/12714#post-41983

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tomsmithidg
Added a month ago

@Slomo , I've been using it mostly as a time saver. Pasting PDFs into it and asking for summaries, pasting financial information and asking it to do DCF's etc. with Bull, Normal and Bear assumptions. I also use it to find other resources to read / watch / listen to. If I ask it a question I look at what it is referencing and then go and have a look at some of these blogs, reports etc. I've been using Perplexity after a You Tube clip that I was put onto from the Forums here had 2 guys discussing AI and they had said that of all the ones they'd tried they like Perplexity the best. Perplexity provides references that you can click on, and that's sent me down many a rabbit hole of blogs, reports, podcasts and such.

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