Forum Topics What Is your opinion on the number of stocks to have in a portfolio?
Darling
Added 5 years ago

There is not a lot of academic literature freely available on this subject. So I decided to run some back-analysis of portfolios with different numbers of stocks over the last 5 year period to see how concentration affects portfolio returns. 

The method was to take all ASX listed entities (companies, funds et.al.) which have a 5 year performance based on total shareholder return. I then created 500 random portfolios with 5 stocks, and the same number of portfolios with 10, 25,50 and 100 stocks. There was no weighting in the portfolio based on market cap, so in effect the same dollar value was invested in every stock.

Unfortunately I can't paste tables or charts here which give a good visual interpretation of the results so I'll do my best to describe them.

As you would expect the bigger the portfolio, the less spread there was between the worst performer and the best performer. For example the worst of the 100 stock portfolios ("P100") returned -1.5% and the best return was 15.6%. By comparison the range of the 5 stock portfolio ("P5") was -22.3% to +116.1% (116% was a real outlier, the next best was +57.1%). So unsurprisingly the P100 portfolio limited the upside and downside whilst the P5 portfolio had a bigger risk of not being average.

As an average across all data  the mean return, irrespective of portfolio size, was very close to 7.6% p.a. over the 5 years. 

Here are some other selected observations:

  • The % of portfolios which showed a negative return over 5 years:
    • P5         34.2%
    • P10       24.8%
    • P25       10.6%
    • P50        8.2%
    • P100      1.6%

 

  • The % of P5 portfolios which outperformed the best P100 portfolio: 22%

 

  • The best return in each portfolio size:
    • P5         116.1%
    • P10       51.8%
    • P25       31.4%
    • P50        22.5%
    • P100      15.6%

This is all theory based on averages of course and doesn't answer any questions about what is the correct concentration because each portfolio is unique and comes with its own risk profile. But it is pretty clear that as a portfolio gets bigger the volatility (deviation from mean) reduces but the chance of getting an exceptional performance decreases. You will get a lot of winners in any random 100 stock portfolio but its important to realise those winners will have much less influence.

The correct answer of how many stocks you should have is.... one great one. Not just tongue in cheak, significant outperformance is possible if you have exceptional industry experience and unrivalled company-specific knowledge. Fortuitously these characteristics can, with a bit of digging, be found in managers (particularly founders) of some listed Australian companies. I am never likely to have the same insight that a competent founder has that's why I spend a lot of time identifying them and if i can get a stake at the right price take a big swing and stay the journey.  

 

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UncleWally
Added 5 years ago

My maths leaves a bit to be desired...LOL

65% + 25% + 15% doesn't equal 100% but it's close enough and it is a moving feast, I'm sure you all get the idea.

UW

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Solvetheriddle
Added 5 years ago

there is plenty of research that shows around 35 is about the optimal number for a fund, that is, for example a Australian equity portfolio designed to outperform a broader index such as ASX200. almost all the intitutional portfolios i have been involved with that have this objective were 30-45 stocks. of course it depends what your objective is.

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UncleWally
Added 5 years ago

I've always found Portfolio Management to be a very interest ing part of investing. It can be all things to all people and is a very individual thing. I doubt there is one size that fits all and it is ever evolving, on my part at least.

The ideal number of companies to hold is a question that I have considered and grappled with and changed my mind over many times through the years.

I've switched between running a concentrated high conviction Portfolio of about 14 or 15 stocks to a larger portfolio containing my core holdings plus a selection of more speculative companies that I consider have potential. For a time I think I went too far and went "searching" for too many companies and couldn't keep up. Usually reporting season is a good indicator of whether you can manage the number of companies you own or not!

These days, I think I've settled on an Investment Triangle approach were my long held high conviction holdings account for approximately 65% of my PF or about 15 companies, a second group of promising companies that I don't know quite as well but am learning more about all the time say, 25% of my PF or about 5 or 6 companies and finally, the remaining 15% which are more speculative and risky in nature. Somewhere around 10 to 12 companies though this can vary.

What I'll also say is that these days I think I'm a better investor than I once was and more capable of holding more companies. Not sure how Peter Lynch held so many companies and still showed a clean set of heals. I guess he is a genius

I only build a larger position as I learn more and as my conviction grows.

This strategy is something I've arrived at over the years and probably more suitable to an investor that has held their core holdings for some time and has a good understanding of them.

I didn't start taking positions in more speculative stocks until I felt comfortable with those core holdings.

I accept that more times than not many of my speculative companies won't come to anything but you only need one or two of them to go on and they can make a huge difference to your financial position.

I've held, XRO, PME, NAN, ALU & a few others for 5 or 6 years from when they were much smaller and riskier so these small unknown speculative stocks can grow into something that can change your life.

I have trimmed my core holdings in recent times to accommodate my ever evolving investment strategy and build an appropriately sized position in what I hope will be the next generation of WAAAX stocks. Who knows how I'll be thinking about that in 1, 3 or 5 years but I know one thing and that is I will be thinking - hopefully!

If there was one bit of advice I'd like to give my earlier self, it would be to be patient - the opportunities will come.

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