Forum Topics MAM MAM General Discussion
Maaxweell
Added 4 years ago

As a part of the March announcement for the Deep Value Fund (their main fund) - MAM note they have fully divested from Over The Wire (ASX:OTW), and that this has been offset by a new investment in the following:

"A consumer goods business with an attractive portfolio of brands that has a tailwind linked to a societal thematic. The investment follows various years of observing and researching the evolution of the business and coincides with a share price decline of more than 50% over the past 12 months"

Any guesses as to what it is? As they are still building their stake they are obviously keeping it close to their chest. The one that jumps out to me is Adore Beauty (ASX:ABY), but I am interested to hear if there are any other that you think may fit the bill.

OTW was only about a 3% hold in that specific fund at the end of February, so it's not a ground breaking stake, but always interesting to see what some of the qualified investors are doing.

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JasonS
Added 4 years ago

Hi ArrowTrades. Do you mind me asking why you have exited most of your position in MAM? TIA

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ArrowTrades
Added 4 years ago

Hey @JasonS

Sorry I never saw this message, I sold out because after the recent sell off in Small caps all their funds are well below their High water marks. This means they will not be collecting performance fees any time soon and their next update will look Very mundane in comparison to the past 6 months where they were able to lock in record profits.

The Fed is committed to hiking and I don't think they will pause or reverse like many others do. (unless equities have a big drop) The RBA has been dragging the chain as usual, but they will hike also and have to play catch up. MAM is a leveraged play on the equity market.

I still like the company and structure of the business, I am anticipating that I will be able to buy it back at a similar or lower price in the future.

@umop3pisdn @jsmith11 @Maaxweell

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Noicewon11
Added 5 years ago

@Vandelay





"No matter which way I look at this company it appears cheap. It has released a myriad of good news and updates over the past year. "


Completely agree here. On FY21's numbers alone it is valued at an 8.1x P/E

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When I comparing the business on the two differing parts (I.e the management fee's and the performance fee's) we get the following:


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When factoring in the recent news of the first four months' performance to October FY22, then we get the following:


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"The market reactions are tempered, and I believe the market is yet to fully trust this is sustainable. However, the multiples are so low that I believe the risks are priced in."


The market doesn't trust it be sustainable because it quite likely isn't.


History shows us that MAM has generated performance fee's that represent 30% of total revenue and management fee's at 66%.


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Keep in mind that the performance fee's are generated through an absolute hurdle and therefore they don't need to 'beat the market' the generate such fee's.


Remembering what fuels the performance, a combination of being good stock-pickers and a bull-market.


Are bull markets sustainable? History tells us no. (Refer to the cycles vs sustainability theory).


Unless MAM's fund manager(s), Carlos Gil, can outperform during markets that are not bullish (sluggish or even bearish), then I would say that the performance fee's generated at the current rate are not sustainable over a long period of time.


In essence it boils down to whether or not you believe the bull-market can continue.


I agree that the multiples are low (as mentioned earlier). 


I also believe that the risks are priced in. (That's why the market will never rate this stock on a P/E > 10x)


But what happens if the bull-market turns around in the near term?


Performance fee's may/likely dry up, heading for zero. (Because of the high watermark).


Here's what revenue has looked like in more sluggish/bearish market periods respective of what it looks like today:


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So is a $1.90 within reason based on your assumptions? Yes.


Is the reason due to the market having faith in the business? No. The market is wise enough to know that the earnings will decrease rapidly should the market drop off at any stage.

Hence because of the poor earnings quality (I.e instability and hard to predict), sustainable revenues aren't realistic.


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ArrowTrades
Added 5 years ago

Another great post as per usual from our man Noicewon11

A couple of points from me, that are skewed to the bullish side, of which I clearly have been very bullish haha.

Your history table for MAMs performance fees goes back to 2017. The initial deep value fund inception was in 2009. I don’t have the numbers but my bet would be that performance fees made up over 50% of revenue for the main fund since inception.

The market is wise enough to know that the earnings will decrease rapidly should the market drop off at any stage.” This is true, but it also seems the market lacks the courage to ascribe much weight to the expected value of future performance fees, so it’s a double edged sword.

The market is correct to not to get carried away and assume performance fees will mean revert, but their value is embedded in the products and can be roughly predicted over a long enough time frame. Seems the market hates anything lumpy, but there lies the opportunity IMO.

 

p.s If they can find a way to get some inflows, that would really be a game changer.

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Hackofalltrades
Added 5 years ago

These guys seem like the kind of company that could crash hard in a bear market and then be very attractive on the return up.


Good comments above.


I've requested an info pack off them... curious to see what they've been invested in.

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ArrowTrades
Added 5 years ago

Whats your definition of long term to see how they perform?

Their main fund started in 2009.

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Hackofalltrades
Added 5 years ago

Had a chat to one of their sales team today (put email addrss down). They protect their IP and don't publish the companies they are invested in - apparently the newsletter might have some occasionally hah.

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Noddy74
Added 5 years ago

Hi Stuey,

I contacted them once to find out if they had a hard cap on the FUM of their Deep Value Fund and ever since they've been sending me the monthly updates. They're not particularly enlightening in terms of specific holdings unless one cops a bid or gets taken out. However, in recent months there has been a lot of M&A so some of their holdings are/were: Over the Wire, Class, Swick Mining, Red Hill Education and Empired.

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