Forum Topics US end of year sale
wishkey
Added 4 years ago

Reading a note put out by the good guys at Ophir and they quoted Lynch, which I thought was very apropos to global markets currently:

“Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves.”

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Rapstar
Added 4 years ago

FOMC Meeting Conference

  • Accelerating tapering, which will finish in March, assuming it goes to plan.
  • $6 Trillion of stimulus is planned to be removed next year in the US - That is a big drag if there ever was one.
  • Flagged the Fed is planning a series of interest rate rises in 2022.
  • When asked what the Fed will do if the equity market or economy begins to tank, Jerome Powell said: WE WILL CHANGE COURSE AS IS NECESSARY - the tapering / interest rate rise plan is not set in stone.


The markets loved the last point, with high beta stocks recovering after the press conference.

Summing up, the Fed has announced tightening, but will only continue with this tightening if the market doesn't tank. If it shows signs of weakness, they will reverse course.

I would say the Fed has allayed market fears for a few months..................



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thunderhead
Added 4 years ago

On the last line, it appears it was spoken too soon - most high beta has come straight back. Markets are likely to be choppy looking out a few months!

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Jamesg
Added 4 years ago

Boom and Bust: A Global History of Financial Bubbles

Stuey727, I think that sentiment is common to so many investors (me included). Sit on cash when there's high inflation and accept a guaranteed loss, really?!

But it's also part of the problem. On one hand low interest rates have induced increased borrowing, contributing to the 'everything bubble'. Then on the other hand we start looking for yield in stocks because interest rates are so low and cash is such a poor alternative. It's well documented that when interest rates stay low investors start looking to riskier assets for a return.

There's a great book worth a read if you're interested called Boom and Bust: A Global History of Financial Bubbles. Being 32 it seemed like an appropriate time to delve into it and learn from the past. The authors demonstrate how there is always the presence of a 'bubble triangle' in historical bubbles; borrowed from the 'fire triangle' from chemistry where you need heat, oxygen and fuel. It's easy to argue the presence of all three now. E.g. low interest rates (fuel for the bubble), marketability of assets that make them very easy to buy and sell such as deregulation, zero commission trading apps etc (oxygen for the bubble) and finally speculation through the rise of social media herd mentality particularly with novice investors (heat for the bubble). So easy credit, marketability and speculation = bubbly.

Seen a lot of graphs lately. But this (somewhat similar to Buffett's) US market cap as a % of GDP is pretty compelling. Take a look at the dot-com bubble of the late 90s relative to now. 120% of GDP and it was many years of sideways trading after that. We're now at >175%.

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I'm also super curious to hear what others think.

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lyndonator
Added 4 years ago

In my (largely limited) experience the boffins are useless and can't be trusted predict inflation from one year to the next. As for predicting a market crash...

Saying that - given the amount of money printing that has gone on - how can inflation not happen? I'm surprised it has not reared its head sooner.

Given that I'm not an expert all I can do is ask questions - here is what I am wondering.


What is actually causing inflation?


There seem to be 2 possibilities (and is most probably a combination of both).

  • Supply constraints
  • Money printing devaluing the dollar (basically every currency on the planet)


Supply

I suspect the supply constraints will sort themselves out in the next 6-12 months - although reports on the state of trucking in the U.S may suggest otherwise, and new COVID variants are still a risk (if more lockdowns are imposed).

Money Printing

My simple reasoning goes along these lines: money printing has been happening for 18+ months and we are just getting inflation now. Does that mean we have to wait 18 months for the full effect of the money printing to be felt (e.g the money that is still being printed today will create inflation in 18 months time?).

This also brings up the point when do we feel the effect of the changes government treasuries do to interest rates (given that most people have some portion of their mortgages fixed for ~2 years). It's like they are trying to steer a massive ship with an 18-24 month lag from the wheel to the rudder.

The only reason I can think of that money printing won't continue to create inflation is that the bulk of the money that was printed will just sit in the bond and equity markets - which won't affect the cost of goods.

There is probably one other potential cause I should consider:

Inflation Fear

The fear of inflation causes inflation. People rush out and stockpile goods now while their $$ are worth something which pushes prices up creating more fear and more buying. Analogous to FOMO buying meme stonks, except it's tins of beans and TP.

I doubt this is the current cause - however this is a worry if the other 2 keep inflation running for too long and people get scared...


What to do about it?


Firstly, I am still well within my wealth accumulation mode, so my thinking has the assumption that I have a lot more years left of using income to buy stocks; where the amount I am buying has an appreciable effect on value of my portfolio (which, incidentally, is why I'm actually hoping for a prolonged bear market to buy stocks at a good price, however I'm not usually that lucky) for those with a big pot already, you'll probably think differently to me on what to do here.

So, maybe inflation is with us for a while yet or maybe it isn't (I know, I'm a genius for realising this!).

If inflation is with us for a while - holding a barrel of cash (dwindling in real value) waiting for a crash in the market sounds painful. And also leaves me with trying to figure out what is the "bottom" I want to buy in at.

If inflation does come to a short sharp end - holding a barrel of cash as all my favourite stocks continue to perform sounds even more painful.

So I'm just going to continue to DCA in with each pay check - however I will be going over my valuations more thoroughly and adding extra fat here and there. (I guess this post could have just been a one liner?!)


P.S

If the market does crash - I'll still be buying in with my pay check each month and would dump some more stable stocks to buy any bargains.

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Jamesg
Added 4 years ago

Agreed @Rapstar.

I've been raising cash in the last two months in real life and am also sitting on the funds from a recent property sale.

There's a confluence of risks. Tightening monetary policy is a big one, particularly given the impacts small rate increases have had on stocks in recent years. But also the Chinese property bubble approaching a decisive moment in the next 12 months, and the wider impact that would have on commodities and the global economy. There's also the ongoing concern of new variants more consequential than Omicron and what that might trigger, particularly given the inflationary pressures and a more hesitant approach to QE. These factors against the backdrop of average P/E ratios approaching historic levels.

There are risks of course and I would hazard a guess the vast majority of people predicting impending share market corrections have lost money over the long run compared to those who continued to maximise exposure. Nevertheless, for my money I'm not racing into stocks (or property) at the minute.

How about you @ArrowTrades

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