Forum Topics Macro Outlook
Dangles
Added 4 months ago

I've been thinking lately about the global Macro situation and thought it was worth putting some thoughts on paper to see what the Strawman community thinks.

The first detail was this graph shared by LiveWire today showing that the Buffett Indicator - the ratio of US stock market value to GDP- now sits higher than at the dotcom peak.

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The second detail was a fantastic article written by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the Telegraph and reproduced in the Fairfax papers today. The key sections that I found fascinating are below. You can read the full article here - https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/trump-s-war-on-the-world-is-starting-to-unleash-pain-20250811-p5mluk.html

"We have since learnt that US jobs growth ground to a screeching halt in May and June, just as labour economists had predicted. The picture has been getting slowly worse ever since.

The ISM manufacturing index is sliding into deeper contraction. The services index is catching up with a lag, hovering on the boom-bust line of 50. The employment sub-index for both is now at recessionary levels – the “redneck recession” for poor people, as the ever-irreverent Drudge Report calls it.

“Most key metrics that we track suggest labour demand is at its lowest point since the pandemic,” said Citigroup’s US economist Veronica Clark.

For now, it is a story of “low hiring”. It becomes dangerous if companies start firing as well. That can turn into a self-feeding downward spiral of mass layoffs that slips control, forcing the Fed to slash rates to the bone.

Wall Street has shrugged off the slowdown, but that is because traders are betting on the “Fed put” – Vickie Chang, from Goldman Sachs, says markets have priced in both a “negative US growth shock” and a “doveish policy shock” at the same time.

The two more or less offset each other. In other words, the Fed will ensure that the Schiller price-to-earnings ratio on Wall Street remains near the peak of the dotcom bubble at over 38, and junk bond spreads remain as compressed as they were at the peak of the Lehman credit bubble. Uncle Jerome will keep investors fat and happy.

The Fed will undoubtedly cut rates, but it is an invidious position. The next shocker may well be the core inflation figures out next week. The delayed effects of the tariffs are about to feed through with malicious and unstoppable force. Welcome to 1970s Nixonian stagflation. Donald Trump will doubtless declare that the index has been manipulated by Marxist fifth columnists. Good luck with that.

The US is unable to substitute 90 per cent of its current imports with local production. Trump’s trade taxes will be paid by US consumers via higher prices, and by US companies with plants abroad or reliance on foreign inputs via lower profit margins.

Caterpillar has already warned that the Trump levy will cost it up to $US1.5 billion ($2.3 billion) a year. Brewer Molson Coors expects earnings to fall by 7 to 10 per cent because Trump’s 50 per cent tariffs on aluminium have pushed metal can costs through the roof.

We know from early warning signals – both the ISM’s service price paid index and S&P Global’s composite PMI output prices – that price impulse is filtering through with the usual multi-month lag, and that headline inflation will approach an annualised rate near 5 per cent over the next three months.


So 'live' inflation is estimated to be at 5%. The labour market is at its weakest point since the pandemic. Major listed US companies are expecting significant margin contraction and earnings reductions. And somehow we're led to believe that the US share markets that lead the world are correctly at their highest valuations ever?

I honestly feel like I'm missing something obvious here. No emergency rate cuts that have been priced in will save the US economy from contracting here will they?

And more importantly for the straw community. If this is a view I hold, but it is widely agreed that attempting to time the market is a mugs game. How does an intelligent investor respond with our portfolios?

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DrPete
Added 4 months ago

Hey @Dangles. To your final question about how to respond to the macro outlook, I've given up trying to do that. Based on that graph and others like it that I've seen over recent years, if you were to respond by not investing, you would have missed the huge gains over the last 5 or so years.

If those macro valuations impact me at all, it encourages me to focus on individual stock picking. I have roughly 20% in cash, 40% in index ETFs, 40% in individual companies. The ETFs are protection against me doing dumb things with individual stock picking. The individual stock picking is protection against the ETFs becoming overvalued. And the cash (which I regard as "invested" given it is earning >5% with capital as close to guaranteed as you can get) gives me optionality for life, or for investing if the macro valuations eventually come home to roost.

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Dominator
Added 4 months ago

@Dangles I agree with the sediment, how does this actually end well? Doesn't seem like it can.

I own Crocs shares (yes the ugly "shoes"!) and listening to the recent earnings call it didn't paint a nice picture of the US consumer or economic outlook. I am reducing my position as a result. Tariffs are having real impacts on company decision making. However, these decisions take time to flow through to the economy and economic numbers. CEO even stated on the call some of their normal consumers are scared to leave the house because of current government policies. So it's not just the tariffs having an effect. For Crocs, they expect an impact of $90m due to currently implemented and planned tariffs. Crocs is just one business, how does this play out over the whole economy?

What am I doing.... Focusing on individual companies I own and buying them rather than highly valued indexes. Also happy to stay in cash as I have a guaranteed risk-free return (in opportunity cost terms) by offsetting my mortgage.

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Strawman
Added 4 months ago

I didn't realise this was the case, but AFR is reporting that

"Analysts expect company earnings on the ASX to fall about 1 per cent in the 2025 financial year – the third straight year of contraction."

So, profits (in aggregate) have been dropping for 3 years, during which the index has risen to record highs. The obvious implications of which are:

"The ASX All Industrials Index (which excludes resources) trades at a record forward price-to-earnings multiple of 21.7 times."

I share this not so much to be bearish, but only to suggest that now as much as ever is a good time to be selective with your investments. There's always pockets of value, and in fact the same article says that 4 of the 11 sectors on the ASX are trading below their 5 year average PE multiple (basically tech and financials are the main ones pushing up the total market multiple).

I've always hated the term "it's a stock pickers market", but that actually rings true right now.

All that being said, if we see monetary conditions continue to ease (which seems to be the consensus), and the fiscal side of things keep pumping, well, I wouldn't be surprised to see the market multiple keep rising. Things can remain irrational for a long time (*cough* CBA *cough*).

Who knows? I wouldn't try and trade around all this. But if you're holding something that's trading at a lofty multiple, just be sure it's got the quality and growth potential to justify it.

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Dominator
Added 5 months ago

US debt per capita almost double UK figure and adding to that figure with the big beautiful bill and an administration that is actively lowering the dollar. US bond market = nothing to see here!

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Saasquatch
Added 5 months ago

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Let's see if this chart of M2 to Bitcoin is a true reflection. Time for the siren to start this thing

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Scot1963
Added 6 months ago

Rick Mills published an article on Mining.com recently which postulates a theory of change around stagflation in the US. That itself is interesting, but the components of the structure this is built on are equally as interesting. He touches on central banks buying more of their own debt, rather than US debt, as a result of a growing lack of confidence in US leadership, growing debt burden, failure to work towards reducing what is now a debt equivalent to their GDP, Trumps new beautiful bill that increases further that debt, a realization by the Japanese (and others) that selling US bonds and investing in their own debt provides better security and return, an emergence of a group of trading currencies rather than the single horse the US has been, and a recognition that commodities such as Gold, Silver and Copper are perhaps safer havens in times of these changes and challenges. He brings together a range of topics to support his conclusion.

The link is here https://www.mining.com/gold-silver-and-copper-are-the-answer-to-global-turmoil/

I found it an interesting read.

As a commodity trading nation it seems it might look kindly on us in the decades to come. Another chance to use the gifts nature has bestowed for a wiser future outcome perhaps.

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actionman
Added 6 months ago

@Scot1963 you might also find this similar story intersting about precious metals from the ThoughtfulMoney podcast. They are talking their own book to some extent but still some interesting points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMPlcAA3sgM

0:00 - Gold Boot Camp

8:15 - Rising nationalism’s impact on natural resources

12:59 - Resource supply-demand imbalance

15:21 - Critique of Trump’s economic policies

20:13 - Deregulation’s boost to resource development

25:35 - Strategic assets for national priorities

29:30 - Reduced U.S. political risk for investors

34:44 - Drivers of gold’s 2025 surge

41:39 - Gold miners’ upside potential

49:23 - Opportunities beyond precious metals

52:17 - Uranium’s bullish structure

56:14 - Germany’s self-harming energy policy

58:25 - Reaction to dollar purchasing power loss

1:04:16 - Precious metals as a whip analogy

1:15:33 - Oil and gas investing

1:23:39 - Navigating headline-driven volatility

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