Forum Topics Small Caps Outlook

Duffshot38
Added 2 months ago

Was an interesting article and a few stocks in there I have also been investwd in. Quite like the thought process but maybe confirmation bias because thats how I tend to look for stocks too and have a few in my portfolio's

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Mujo
Added 2 months ago

Yep, launching at the trough of the market helps as does having no FUM to start with - so maybe not learning the best lessons.

Interesting picks though - seems all over the place.

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Strawman
Added 4 months ago

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A tale of two markets

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Arizona
Added 4 months ago

@Strawman I was aware of the correlation, but ot see it like this is really striking. Thanks

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Noddy74
Added 4 months ago

Hang on. I'm a bit simple and need this explained to me. On the bottom graph is 1.00 perfect correlation between large and smalls (and is a hard ceiling)? Anything below this is an increasing lack of correlation, but doesn't tell us which is outperforming so we need to look at the top graph for that. Is that right? And if it goes below zero I guess it means they become increasingly inversely correlated. So recently small cap performance became slightly (but almost unprecedently) inversely correlated to large cap performance, in the US.

If that's right I'm picking up what you're putting down. I think that broadly tracks with lived experience up until recently. If anything I think it's been worse in microcap land than in the small cap space. Unfortunately I don't think we (similarly in the US - although I say that with less conviction) have particularly good indices around microcaps, and so we use small and medium indices as a proxy, which they really aren't.

The good news is mean reversion is one of the three certainties in life. Bring it on!

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Strawman
Added 4 months ago

That was my read @Noddy74 although maybe the maths wizz's among us can explain it.

Small caps (as a broad category) not just underperforming the large caps, but moving in the opposite direction!

The good news is, if the negative correlation lasts, that if the large stocks fall the smalls will rally :)

..or we just get that mean reversion you speak of. But not in the manner we'd like!

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thunderhead
Added 4 months ago

Every fundie and his dog has been crowing about small caps being ripe to outperform for a fair while now, which makes me vary sentiment-wise. The "pain trade" seems to be large caps continuing to outperform, based on anecdotal evidence from the talking heads :D

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callawood
Added 11 months ago

The best year since the GFC? These experts are ready to go big on ASX small caps this year

Stockhead 7Jan24

  • -Brown Abbott reckons 2024 could be the best year for small caps since the GFC
  • Ophir Asset Management says small cap valuations are the cheapest they’ve been in 15 or 20 years
  • Red Leaf Securities says ‘2024 will be the year of the small cap recovery’ after two tough years 


Despite somewhat of a sluggish start to 2024, fund managers and analysts are optimistic for equity markets, particularly the smaller end of town.

Portfolio managers at Maple-Brown Abbott reckon with inflation looking like peaking and an end to the rate hiking cycle of central banks in sight, 2024 has a shot at being the best year for small caps since the Global Financial Crisis.

“We believe the Australian small caps market is at an inflection point given the more favourable macro-economic backdrop and expected earnings trajectory,” says Australian small companies co-portfolio manager Phillip Hudak.

“With a lot of negative sentiment priced in to Australian small companies, and signs that financial conditions are easing, inflation is moderating and interest rate rates have peaked, we believe we are seeing one of the most favourable environments for the Australian small caps market to outperform in 2024 since the global financial crisis.”

Australian small companies co-portfolio manager Matt Griffin agrees and points to key themes that may emerge in small caps in 2024.

Outsized underperformance of small caps set to end

According to S&P Dow Jones Indices the S&P ASX 200 benchmark finished 2023 with a gain of 12%, closing just 0.3% away from a record high.

The S&P ASX Small Ordinaries finished 2023 up 7.82%, the S&P ASX Mid Cap 50 rose 7.76%, while the S&P ASX Emerging Companies index was just short of ending 2023 in positive territory, finishing down 0.36%.

Ophir Asset Management specialises in small and mid cap equities investing both in Australia and globally. Head of research Luke McMillan says the last two years has been a “really torrid time” for small cap investors both in Australia and globally.

“You have to go back really a number of decades to see things be as bad as they’ve been for small cap investors and of course the precipitating factor was this rapid increase in interest rates,” he says.

“That hit longer duration assets like longer duration bonds and when you’re talking about the equity market pretty much the longest duration assets are small cap growth orientated companies.”

McMillan says this rate hiking cycle has hit small caps particularly hard with the underperformance of small caps versus larges caps in the US and Australia around 20%.

He says while the S&P 500 and even Aussie large caps are making all time highs, the small cap variant which is the Russell 2000 in the US and S&P ASX Small Ordinaries, are still both down about 20% from their highs.

“Historically, it’s really rare to see that bigger difference and normally even if we look at the worst part of business cycles which is recessions typically small caps underperform large caps by around about 5% on average,” he says.

“So even though we haven’t had a recession this time you’ve still got this outsized underperformance of small caps which is bigger than any recessionary period going back the last five or six recessions in the US.”

However, McMillan says the good news for small cap investors is it looks like central banks in key advanced economies are largely done with hiking rates.

“If you believe market pricing they’re all done hiking rates now there might be a little bit of residual risk, we might have one more in some regions, but on the balance of probabilities it looks like they’re done,” he says.

“Also we seem to have peaked out in terms of long term interest rates in those advanced economies so that big headwind for valuations looks like it’s largely done slamming into small caps over the head.”

Cheap valuations for small caps present opportunities

McMillan says further good news is we’re now starting from cheap valuations with small caps on an absolute and relative basis compared to large caps.

“We’re seeing valuations the cheapest they’ve been in at least 15 or 20 years, ” he says.

Furthermore, he says higher wages growth – also a headwind for smaller caps – appears to be stabilising.

“Smaller cap companies seem to have a higher proportion of their costs in wages and just like inflation has been coming down it looks like we’ve seen a peak in wages growth as well, so that is another good news story heading into this year,” he says.

However, McMillan says the residual risk is that while markets tended to rally in the last couple of months of 2023 on a higher probability of a soft landing and no recession in the US and Australia, we are “not out of the woods” with that probability still elevated.

“If we do get a recession there is undoubtedly will be more downsize for equity markets, including small caps,” he says.

McMillan says normally small caps do fall more than larger caps in a recession but it seems to be small caps have this time priced probability of a recession higher than large caps.

“In fact particularly if we look at the US even if we consider that bear case and do get a recession we may actually see small caps not fall as much as large caps because they seem to be pricing it more and are much cheaper,” he says.

“The last time we saw a recession where small caps didn’t fall as much as large caps was back in the dot.com bubble associated recession.

“It had similar characteristics where large were a lot more expensive than small caps so they fell more.”

Money to trickle back to small caps

Last week an unexpectedly high inflation reading in the US sent jitters through markets. Consumer prices in the US picked up again in December to 3.4% (from 3.1% in November), driven by increases in costs for housing, dining out and car insurance.

McMillan says it may be a bumpy ride still with work to firmly control inflation in the US and elsewhere but if it can continue to decline without much of an uptick in unemployment and no recession, then it’s likely we’ve seen the lows for equity markets.

“This liquidity discount where people are taking money out of small caps and hiding in large caps you’ll start see that money start to trickle back down the market cap spectrum’ we think’ and have that catch-up period of out performance for small caps,” he says.

McMillan says usually its part-way through a recession the market looks ahead to earnings recovery and will tend to recover before a recession is over.

“Then you will get the period of small cap catch up or outperformance of large caps,” he says.

“The average recession tends to go for nine to 10 months and this might be a milder one, more like the six-month variety, and the market starts rallying partway through.”

2024 the year for small cap recovery

Red Leaf Securities CEO John Athanasiou told Stockhead he is confident of a positive year for ASX and global small caps.

“2024 will be the year of the small cap recovery,” he says.

“After two tough years for the sector due to in a rising cash rate environment, small caps are poised to recover as cash rates start falling which reduces the cost of financing which in turn increases investors risk appetite.

“It is perfect conditions for a small cap recovery.”

Disclosure: The author held units in the Ophir Global High Conviction Fund at the time of writing this article. 

The views, information, or opinions expressed in the interview in this article are solely those of the interviewee and do not represent the views of Stockhead. Stockhead has not provided, endorsed or otherwise assumed responsibility for any financial product advice contained in this article.

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Strawman
Added 11 months ago

I wouldn't base any investment decisions on this, but found it interesting nonetheless. Hopefully a similar pattern holds true on our market.

From Charlie Bilello twitter account:


The S&P 500 closed at an all-time high last Friday while the Russell 2000 Small Cap Index was still in a 20.4% drawdown. That's the largest Russell 2000 drawdown we've ever seen with the S&P 500 at an all-time high.

What happened following the 3 previous largest Russell 2000 drawdowns when the S&P 500 was at a record high? Both indices would rally higher over the next year with the R2k outperforming and joining the S&P 500 at an all-time high...

1) April 7, 1999 (-19.2% R2k Drawdown): S&P 500 gained 14.3% over the next year and R2k gained 36.5%.

2) February 13, 1991 (-13.5% R2k Drawdown): S&P 500 gained 12.1% over the next year and R2k gained 35.5%.

3) January 21, 1985 (-13.3% R2k Drawdown): S&P 500 gained 17.4% over the next year and R2k gained 18.2%.

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Remorhaz
Added 11 months ago

Well all fingers (and toes) crossed I guess :) - then again literally "every" (small cap) fund manager is predicting this will be the year for a small cap resurgence... too much consensus perhaps?

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Strawman
Added 11 months ago

Good point @Remorhaz

The fact everyone is expecting a resurgence in small caps is maybe a good reason to be bearish!

Still, I don't need the entire space to rerate, just the ones I hold ;)

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lyndonator
Added 11 months ago

Selfishly, I'm hoping the re-rate (assuming it is true small caps are undervalued - which does seem to be the case as far as I can tell) doesn't happen this year.

This is because I am still accumulating shares, so the longer I can get them at a good price the better.

Obviously this assumes:

  • It is true that the market is not correctly pricing the individual shares I own.
  • If there is some sort of hiccup (recession, other black swan event) the companies I own can weather it
  • I maintain my conviction and don't grow weary and just sell my shares coz "the market doesn't get it"


Yes, hope is not a strategy. But for now I see it as a win-win:

  1. If valuations rise - I get gains on what I hold already
  2. If they don't (or even fall further) I get more stock at bargain prices


No.1 will make my ego happy, No.2 will make my future self more happy than 1

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thunderhead
Added 11 months ago

Yeah, I get wary when there is a firm consensus on these things, but then again, the obvious/expected thing often works out spectacularly too, atleast for a while (e.g. WFH pandemic darlings, megacap tech).

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