Forum Topics The world of broking, a research perspective....ok i admit this is indulgent
Solvetheriddle
Added 8 months ago

The world of research brokers. while im on holidays

The following is a tongue-in-cheek review of my 30+ years dealing with the research side of broking. This group is highly heterogeneous, much more than I suspect other highly paid professions like doctors, dentists, pilots etc. I would add they are amongst the most different in ability and usefulness that exists at this level of pay. The following is a shirt lift due to the constant comments about broker calls and PT’s that the retail punters seem to consistently hold with some type of esteem.

Another factor to be remembered is that broking is, firstly, and probably lastly, a business. These dudes are here to make money, if that means their clients make money great, if not well, ahh, move on. The best way for brokers, in this case, to make money is to generate trades, a buy is obviously better than a sell, since the client can always buy but may not own the stock to sell it. It helps if the stock is in the cross hairs with uncertainty or volatility to help dislodge wavering insto’s. When I read a broker report the first thing I look at is who wrote it. As the years go by and my knowledge of the existing brokers fades (with churn in the industry etc), that is becoming less worthwhile but it still highlights the importance of the variability in the quality of the report, focussing on who wrote it? Below are my generalisations of brokers over the years I have encountered.

1.     The MBA dux of the year. This guy is usually straight out of university and with first-class honours and has been a brilliant student. On joining a broker he is given an industry to follow, a few months to come “up to speed” and then launched into a marketing campaign with the report in tow. Outside of a “new set of eyes” and a huge, brilliantly compiled spreadsheet with a few thousand lines, unfortunately, these guys probably still have some work to do to become good analysts and add real value. In time some do. They know the theory well, but not the depth of knowledge that comes with experience.

2.     The industry stalwart. This guy knows a lot about the industry having come from a division of one of the big operators. He knows the product sets of each company in the industry, knows some of the people, and the intensity of competition, strengths and weaknesses or at least has an informed view. He also does not know anything much about the stock market or valuations. His valuation work can be quite elementary and may contain some issues. The point is this guy is useful because he fills in the void of industry knowledge not in the disclosed financials. I wouldn’t necessarily rely on his valuations or PT’s.

3.     The golfing buddy. This guy knows the CEO or CFO intimately. He can give you a rundown of his social connections, how he spends his time when away from his wife, for instance, or his temperament and his character. For the broker, his relationship with the C suite is a chance for ECM or M&A work, much more lucrative than broking! I wouldn't rely on his price targets. As an aside some of the stuff, I have heard from these guys are a CEO who couldn’t keep out of the girlie bars when on post-result tour, another CEO who made an overseas acquisition because he had a mistress there (there may have been two of these lol). Put that into your DCF!

4.     The market animal. This guy is all over market movements, continually on the phone gathering information on who is buying who is selling, and most importantly, have they privileged info and where did they get it. These high-energy guys rarely write any written reports or small “immediate buy now” reports because they have come onto something. The antics here are variations of front running and I found the whole thing a bit dicey. Not saying the information wasn’t useful, it was, it was just hard to fit into your process at times and keep your virtue. Didn’t bother others! Their price targets can be variable and transitory.

5.     The disinterested. This guy has a real interest in banks for example. The broker hierarchy has also given him the insurance sector to cover. He has no real interest in insurance and does the basics in coverage to get by. Post results notes, price target and buy/sell recommendation. Of course, the sectors here can vary. I would pay attention to their skilled work and not much to the other work.

6.     The technician. This guy wants to take himself away from the hurly-burly of market obsessions with beats and misses, momentum stories, index changes, high-level macro calls etc etc and just sit in a bubble and look at the fundamental company dynamics. Where the company will sit in a few years given the industry changes and current valuation. These guys are probably the most useful, to me anyway. When I took on a new sector, I met an experienced analyst and asked him what other institutions had asked, ie what I had missed, he sighed and said all they want to know is if the next result will be above or below consensus. They may not be the most popular on the dealing desks for obvious reasons.

Ok so that’s a cynical view of the world, but that’s the way of the world in this case. My biggest beef with brokers was that they gave you what they wanted to give you, not necessarily what you needed or wanted, that’s life. Given the above ramblings, I have a huge issue with punters relying on individual broker price targets or buy/sell calls from any of the above without knowing where that broker sits in the tree, alternatively comparing their valuation with your existing one can be a useful starting point.

Have to admit writing this did give me a few laughs


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Bushmanpat
Added 8 months ago

Glad you wrote it @Solvetheriddle The more I learn about this game, the more I realise that some/most of the "experts" are just that kid in high school who parrot buzz words just to be the expert in whatever was the hot topic of the day!

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Rick
Added 8 months ago

LOL! I love it @Solvetheriddle! Thanks for the inside view. I can recognise some of these characters from listening to ‘the Call’.

I think you missed the genuine category of honest people who admit to not knowing everything and believe there are numerous outcomes that can’t be known. The type who use a fundamental process and continue to question and improve on their process. They have a track record of getting it right more often then they get it wrong. The type who I think are worth listening to.

Unfortunately I think a lot of people prefer to listen to someone who speaks confidently and unequivocally about what a stock will do as the dribble continues to roll off their chin.

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Bear77
Added 8 months ago

Good stuff @Solvetheriddle Thank you for sharing that! @Rick , that type you described are often more focused on smaller companies I find, where many people can smell the bullsh!t from a mile away. The honest types who admit they don't know everything and that there are numerous possible outcomes. In terms of analysts who get air time on investing shows, who fit that description, it's a small handful, Claude, Wini, Andrew... Those who invest in the so-called Blue Chip Stocks would likely think they're full of it, but those of us who dabble down at the smaller end of the market know they're not. They are speaking from experience, and their warnings should be heeded. And their "worth further research" or "I hold this one" stocks are usually worth looking into for those of us who have the time and the inclination.

However, as @Solvetheriddle points out, people should never buy based ONLY on analysts recommendations, notes, reports, or TV/internet spots - as every analyst working for a broking firm has their own agenda and they're going to tow the company line, but at the end of the day they don't work for YOU, they don't know your circumstances, your risk tolerance, your investment goals, your investment timeframes, or anything at all about you or your needs. Use these sources to get ideas that may be worthy of further research - that's all.

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Mujo
Added 8 months ago

Great and interesting summary.

Like every industry, accountants, builders, doctors, dentists i think there is good and bad in the industry - with a few stand outs with are worth their weight in gold.

I guess the issue is they always need to be selling something and a great company if few and far between - and whole industries (of which is only listed on one exchange) can be poor areas to focus on.

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PortfolioPlus
Added 8 months ago

Spot on article @solvetheriddle. But is this not human nature at play?

Retail investors (and I am one) are like sheep. We detest and cannot handle probability and uncertainty and that’s what life is every day. We have a burning desire for certainty, even ahead of accuracy - and comfort or certainty is what the analyst provides or we think they provide. Bob Cialdini of ‘Influence’ fame put it thus “in the absence of knowing what to do, we will look around and follow others’.

So like sheep, we head up the race at shearing time and there’s the shearer, or in our example, the analyst. His job is to clip us and in extreme cases he’ll fleece us. So, I guess I am saying we have a large degree of culpability here. “Fool me once…yadda yadda”

I read their reports more for background information and compare their assumptions to published guidance and if there is a large disparity between their valuations and mine, I try and figure out why. But other than that, they should be printed on soft three ply paper.

Whilst on the subject, I have been amazed over the years at the lack of analyst reporting on how a specific company performs versus its peers. Surely this is one of the best ways to pick the cream of the crop and value it accordingly.

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Solvetheriddle
Added 8 months ago

@PortfolioPlus that last point about comparing similar companies is a good one, you see that in independent reports and worth doing. I can only conclude that the broker doesn’t want to upset the company then they would lose any chance of lucrative business or potentially cut off by the company. As an aside when a company cuts off an analyst due to a poor report it is a big red flag on the company’s part. Ie can’t handle criticism

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RogueTrader
Added 8 months ago

Marcus Padley wrote a good article addressing broker research a while back:

" the big bucks for big brokers come from corporate fees rather than getting stock recommendations right for small investors. They are commercially more interested in getting paid a lot to issue shares and raise capital than they are in telling people who do not deal with them or pay them a commission whether a stock is going up or down.

Raising capital from people prepared to take more risk than the bank is, after all, the core reason the share market exists. And to think you thought the market was there so you could invest. "

https://www.smh.com.au/money/investing/why-investors-should-be-sceptical-of-broker-research-20170219-gugdhs.html

And from 'The Intelligent Investor':

"Broker research isn't designed to identify long-term value because its fundamental purpose is to encourage you to trade. This also explains why recommendations are very short term in nature, allowing a stock to be a Sell one year, a Buy the next, and a Sell again six months later, without any significant change in valuation."

https://www.intelligentinvestor.com.au/investment-news/broker-research-hot-or-not/60576




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