Forum Topics TCORP
Strawman
Added 9 months ago

OK, so this is well beyond the purview of stock picking, but I spent some time this morning hate reading TCORP's financial reports. It came on my radar after reading a recent AFR article that talked about TCORP consolidating some of its funds. It piqued my curiosity, so i dug into it..

But let's back up a bit.

TCorp is "the financial services partner to the NSW public sector" -- or, more plainly, it is the central borrowing and investment management agency for the state of NSW. It was established to manage the state's financial assets and liabilities, providing financial services and solutions to the NSW Government and its public sector entities.

One of its core functions is to raises money for the state government (which in the trailing 12 months spent $7.8b more than it received and now has a $145b in borrowings, or $92.6b in net terms. Debt is expected to hit $190b in the next 3 years) -- so not an enviable task.

Anyway, after sifting through a bunch of annual reports, here are some factoids to get your blood boiling:

  • TCORP employs 213 people, most classed as "professional" (ie beyond admin and support roles, which make up only 16% of the total).
  • This is a number that has grown at an annual compound rate of 10.4%pa since 2015
  • The total base salary and super expense for these people is $60.5 million, or $285k per employee
  • Actually, that average is distorted by the top end somewhat: the CEO and 7 senior executives account for over 10% of the total salary, and collectively get >$5.3m per year, with an average base pay of $663k pa. Not bad work if you can get it! Still even if you exclude the big bosses, the average pay is ~$250k
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  • OK, let's not be too cynical. Maybe all that extra resourcing is delivering a good return on investment for the people of NSW?
  • Well, the NPAT for TCORP has grown at a compound annual growth rate of 2.5% pa since 2015. Net assets have grown at 5.2% (remembering that the vast bulk of assets are in the form of loans to the government)
  • You might think with 170 financial professionals, they'd at least do their own stock picking, right? No, they give the money to external fund managers (People like Blackrock and KKR...). From what i can tell, all they do is determine asset allocations.
  • Across all their funds, they have achieved a weighted average return since inception of ~6.3% (ha!!). Frankly, they could pay me $200k per year and i'd put it all into an index fund. It'd save them >$90m a year in costs and they'd get a much better return. You're welcome.
  • Luckily for TCORP, they tend to outperform their benchmarks (but not always). Could be something to do with the fact that the hurdle rates are laughable --


Anyway, i had to stop at this point. What a total joke and flagrant waste of tax payer money.

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Strawman
Added 9 months ago

Nope, I had to go a bit further..

TCORP spent almost $13m last year on IT services alone. The year before it was $11.2m. Maybe they are building a large language model to compete with Open AI?

They also spend between $6-8m per year on "market information services". Lots of people with Bloomberg terminals i guess? Or maybe they just have a lot of subscriptions to the Motley Fool..?

Oh, and there are some pretty awesome travel perks too -- 28 employees enjoyed multiple trips abroad in FY23 (1 in 6 of the professional employees). Think 'fact finding' missions, where you attend conferences and meet with your peers in other countries. Costs are not separately disclosed, but i suspect they form a considerable part of the $12.7m in 'other operating costs'.

Outrageous.

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Parko5
Added 9 months ago

In my previous life, I had to use the Victorian equiv of TCorp.

It was run by a guy named Bill. Bill was paid half a million a year. We called him Half a Mill Bill. All i saw him do in the 6-7 years i knew him, was after financial close on our projects...he would walk in with a bottle of champagne and say "well done". I'm sure he did alot more than that.....but....

Apparently he had that job for about 15 years!!

These institutions are necessary. And it is much better than it used to be apparently. This old guy once told me...that almost every govt insitution had its equiv TCorp...all raising their own funds and trading! At least now they are all in one place.


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Solvetheriddle
Added 9 months ago

@Strawman yes and no, imo, one thing you are right about is the size of the salaries these guys pay themselves. since i know a lot of them and Stewart Brentnall is a good guy and at least he has managed real money before T corp (ex schroders), their collective salaries are mind-boggling, that is, for institutions that do not need to raise their funds--it is mandated growth (through super into industry funds) or gifted from Govt etc. very different to running a start-up fund manager.

my favourite story about industry funds, is when a consultant was trying to get a job with us as a junior analyst, and we thought that he wasn't qualified enough, but had to string him along to curry favour with him, as he allotted out mandates. a few years later i read he was made CIO of an industry fund, CIO!! unbelievable. haha. the institutional consultants have created a lucrative pathway into industry fund land.

as for Tcorp they are a different beast and are mainly a fundraiser and manager of NSW debt, their true fund management area is a small part, is my understanding, for long-term workers comp liabilities etc. so not a true like-for-like to industry funds and vanilla fund managers. still manage to pay themselves pretty well though.

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Strawman
Added 9 months ago

Ha, "half a mill bill" @Parko5

And good point @Solvetheriddle, not fair to compare TCORP directly with a fund manager.

I should clarify too that I'm NOT an anarcho-capitalist libetarian that is against all forms of government :)

Actually, have always been a bit of lefty (at least in terms of social policy). I'm happy to pay taxes and think government plays an important role.

I just wish there wasn't so much waste and grift.

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