Forum Topics 2032 Brisbane Olympics - who are the winners?
pubenvelope
Added 2 months ago

Thanks for all the valuable insights so far, everyone. I want to add a different angle to this conversation and dig into how we might identify potential winners ahead of the Brisbane Olympics.

@Strawman rightly so brings up the historical overspend on Olympic events and the difficulty in translating that into sustained returns, and I agree that caution is warranted. However, it’s also worth noting that if executed well, projects related to the Brisbane Olympics could offer short-term investment opportunities—particularly if one can foresee a few “winners” before their value is fully priced in. This might not result in long-term dividends but could offer potential for timing strategic entries and exits.

From my experience in the construction industry, a big challenge with large public projects is balancing cost-cutting and quality. I’ve seen firsthand how attempts to save on upfront costs often lead to rectification work later, which eats into margins (as @Bear77 eluded to). This is why I'm hesitant to back many large-scale construction companies that consistently prioritize winning tenders through lower bids rather than proper long-term project management. But, as several of you have pointed out, if we can pinpoint the few companies that do manage their costs well while delivering on quality, there's room for profit.

I’d like to explore the idea of smaller, more focused companies potentially outperforming the larger players. While companies like Lendlease and Downer are mentioned often, perhaps niche players in specific areas (like infrastructure technology, advanced materials, or energy-efficient construction) could benefit more from an event like this.

One company I’ve been looking at is Decmil Group Limited (DCG), which has positioned itself as a player in infrastructure and renewable energy. They’ve faced their share of challenges recently, including a significant loss in FY2023 due to delayed project awards and cost overruns. However, they’ve restructured and refocused their efforts on the east coast, including Queensland. While risky, their smaller size and streamlined operations could allow them to be more agile than the larger, more bureaucratic firms. Does anyone have thoughts on Decmil’s prospects or others in this niche?

Also, considering the potential for future public-private partnerships (PPP), as @lowway way suggested, it might be worth exploring which companies have experience in these types of deals. Spark Infrastructure (SKI) is one that comes to mind—they’ve got a history of successful PPPs and might see opportunities in energy infrastructure upgrades required for the Olympics. Although SKI is not a pure construction play, their strategic position in managing energy networks could offer significant long-term growth, especially if Brisbane plans substantial energy or sustainability initiatives in the lead-up to 2032.

Lastly, the role of sustainability in Olympic construction projects is becoming increasingly important. The Tokyo and Paris Games have placed a heavy emphasis on green initiatives, so companies involved in sustainable materials or renewable energy solutions could stand out. Does anyone have insights on companies with a strong focus on sustainability in large-scale projects that might benefit from the push toward more eco-friendly infrastructure?

I’d be curious to hear thoughts on these ideas and whether anyone has been tracking similar companies that may not be on the radar yet but could play a role in the coming years.

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SudMav
Added 2 months ago

Great line of thinking @pubenvelope!!!!

I haven't done too much research yet about these sort of questions yet but was thinking yesterday in their interview that a company like FOS Capital could potentially do well out of the Olympics and creating custom lighting solutions or providing last minute supply for the various new buildings being constructed.

I did try to look at DCG and SKI but didn't get too far as they are no longer listed on the ASX and its well past my bed time. Seems like they have now merged into McMahons (MAX.ASX) and KK*&R (KKR.NYSE) respectively.

Ill have a further think and do some more research, and will post any other companies over the coming weeks.

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Chagsy
Added 2 months ago

Hi @pubenvelope

the two companies that I follow that might fit the bill are GNP and FLX.

I own both but in differing levels of exposure.

GNP is betting big on the new energy infrastructure upgrade and is so far executing well. They also have a telecommunications infrastructure arm.

Im not sure how much of this type of stuff the Olympics would add to the current Government plans, but would now doubt be incremental.

FLX I have posted about previously. It could be a massive beneficiary. I’m at work and on my phone so can’t re-hash the whole story, but they provide a SaaS platform for accreditation, procurement and work-flow of infrastructure projects. They also happen to be Brisbane based. They are starting to gain traction with major contractors (eg Downer) but have a long way to go. They are not profitable, and haven’t got much in cash reserves. However they are in the perfect position to benefit if they can win some of that work.

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pubenvelope
Added 2 months ago

There has been a lot of talk recently about the upcoming Olympics being held in Brisbane. The sentiment seems to be quite negative here, that plans should be further along than they are. There’s only 8 years to go and it seems like nothing concrete has been set yet.

I was going to start brainstorming companies that may do well from this; which ones are likely to win Government contracts to develop this and ensure that Australia is not a laughing stock with the stadium/athletes village etc. There’s a lot to consider here, earthworks, construction, audio visual, transport, housing and zoning, flood mitigation, electricity supply, hospitality services etc. etc. My first thought was Boral, however I’ve just found out that they’ve been delisted as of July this year ha.

A lot can change in 8 years, but ideally construction needs to start soon. Perhaps we can brainstorm as a unit to try and pick some winners here?


Cheers,

Pub

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Strawman
Added 2 months ago

I'm pretty sceptical of the touted economic benefits of the Olympics. Not that they may not be worth doing for other reasons, but the returns usually fall well short of what planners expect.

London ran significantly over budget, and the long-term economic impact has been mixed (at best). Rio faced severe economic challenges both before and after the Games, with many facilities falling into disrepair and the city struggling with debt. Even Sydney, which is considered one of the more successful events, ran way over budget and the ROI from the substantial public expenditure is considered marginal.

Anyway, some stocks to consider @pubenvelope would be the listed construction companies (LLC & DOW), but also things like EVT and CWN in terms of hospitality. Always hard to know how much is priced in, and because it's a one-off sugar hit how much it really shifts the total value of all future cash flows..

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Bear77
Added 2 months ago

Boral was only delisted because Seven Group Holdings (SVW.asx, run and controlled by Ryan Stokes and his father Kerry) acquired them @pubenvelope and I doubt that SVW are going to benefit too much from the Brisbane Olympics build. They do own WesTrac, who are the Cat earthmoving equipment distributors in WA, NSW & the ACT, but not in Queensland who have Hastings Deering, owned by Sime Darby Berhad (listed in Malaysia), and controlled by Permodalan Nasional Berhad (or PNB) which apparently runs the world's largest unit trust scheme, and manages investments which make up about 10-15 per cent of the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange (Bursa Malaysia). So not really an investment option.

Perhaps wait and see who gets awarded construction contacts over the next few years, but remember that not all contracts are highly profitable, some end up losing money, and the Queensland Government is likely to have a very competitive bidding process to try to minimise costs knowing that the costs usually blow out substantially anyway.

I used to think like you have described, such as buying into Downer (DOW) a few years back when I thought Australia was about to embark on a significant infrastructure build-out nationally - which did not happen - this is going right back to Kevin Rudd (Kevin 07) who at one point said he was going to be the infrastructure Prime Minister, but it rarely works out well, because the ultimate beneficiaries of these large construction projects are so hard to determine, and then once you know who is building what, you still often can't really get a good feel for whether they are making money or losing money on the project.

Plenty of large constructors have lost money on large projects, including Downer (Waratah Trains, i.e. Sydney rail network), Cimic (formerly Leighton Holdings) and UGL - who were acquired later by Cimic, then Cimic got bought out by their long-time major shareholder Hochtief who are based in Germany and majority controlled by ACS, a Spanish company. Most of the large construction companies operating in Australia are not listed on the ASX as they are either foreign-exchange-listed, or family/privately-owned (not stock-exchange listed).

Here's a list of Australia's top 10 in terms of size: https://www.blackridgeresearch.com/blog/list-of-largest-top-construction-epc-companies-contractors-in-australia-oceania

I don't know how current that list is by the way but they all operated in Australia at the time the list was compiled.

Edit: Apparently it was last updated in January this year. Number 10 is BMD, who are based in Brisbane but are a private company - so not on the ASX.

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SudMav
Added 2 months ago

Depending on the infrastructure needed, its likely that Australian engineering, planning and advisory companies (especially those with an office footprint in Queensland) could be the beneficiaries of any works associated with the Olympics. A shortage of these resources will allow the providers to increase their rates to meet the local demand. From a procurement perspective, these sort of companies could be engaged to help the government design the preliminary plans and concepts for any proposed infrastructure (road, rail, villages, stadium, etc) that are handed over to the construction companies to deliver. There may also be some post delivery support optionality built in by the government to retain capability in house to for advice on construction outcomes proposed by the construction companies.

The thesis above could however be partially busted if they pursue a design and delivery construction partner from start to finish of such works. A design and delivery construction partner will likely result in consortia being formed (as the scale of works is so diverse in nature), and would some element of the above mentioned companies as a member.

From a delivery perspective, steel and other critical component producers could also be the beneficiaries of the Olympics as they can leverage off of supply chain shortages or tight delivery timeframes to negotiate higher short term product pricing.

I'm not familiar enough with the market to the listed companies that would meet these categories, but some food for thought either way.

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Bear77
Added 2 months ago

Good points @SudMav - Also, just to add to my earlier post: UGL, Downer and CIMIC have all, at various times, had class actions brought against them by disgruntled shareholders for failing to adequately keep the market informed when they (the companies) knew there were significant cost blowouts on large projects but failed to inform the market in a timely manner, which resulted in very large share price falls when the news finally did emerge and the extent of the losses were realised by the market. I was part of one of the UGL class actions and we did get a payout. UGL had at least two class actions over similar issues but different projects. The crux of the claims were that people were buying shares in these companies without information that the companies SHOULD have already disclosed before the dates that those shares were purchased - so failing to adhere to the very basic ASX listing rule of continuous disclosure of all matters that a reasonable person would expect to impact the share price. So, because of their poor track record of disclosure of bad news, I tend to avoid Downer (DOW) now - the other two are no longer listed on the ASX anyway.

LendLease (LLC) might be worth a look, they've recently had a run-up from below $5.40 in June to close at $7.10 today, so they're heading in the right direction - it's not a company I know much about but they're big enough - m/cap of $4.9 Billion. Haven't heard much about them myself, good or bad, but they are a player in that space.

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lowway
Added 2 months ago

Not so sure Lend Lease is a company of like to pin my hopes on @Bear77 . They were forced to close their OS business after big stuff ups in UK & USA on projects such as Wembley stadium.

Locally they also were hugely over budget and time on the Kingsford Smith Drive (kSD) upgrade project for the Brisbane City Council on the north side bank of the Brisbane River.

A few bad projects don't necessarily make a bad company (e.g. they actually to new estate URD to a reasonable level).but I'm not a fan of their large project track record.

It's definitely a good topic you raise @pubenvelope and the procrastination won't cease until some time after the State election next month and even longer than that if, as expected by everyone, the LNP gain power. They've asked for a 100 day consultation period before even announcing preferred sites and solutions, so there's plenty of time to work on a list of potential (possible) winners to back up to 2032.

Like @Strawman I'm also somewhat sceptical of the loosely defined benefits to us as tax and rate payers, although i think the Goldie Comm Games seemed to get across the line in this regard due to reuse of a lot of existing facilities and/or a reuse plan for new structures such as the games village that became student accommodation after the games finished. So if done with an end goal in mind and a fiscally sound team, it is possible to not create a massive "white elephant".

In regards to how it would likely be done successfully in a tight time frame, i think you're thinking in the right direction @SudMav , although my guess would be a PPP type design/construct team consisting of multiple consortium players from large private/publicly listed companies and the State and local council/s. At least that way (if structed correctly) all parties share in any benefits and/or lessen the burden by sharing any losses.

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Bear77
Added 2 months ago

Good to know @lowway - I'll add LLC to my blacklist also.

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edgescape
Added 2 months ago

LLC also has accusations on reducing and damaging koala habitat at one of their developments.

The bad press made AEF sell out their stake.

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