Forum Topics Where to from here?
Noddy74
2 years ago

Sucks to be them Bear. That Alpha Fund rang a bell and so I checked my emails and found an old invitation to invest from five years ago.

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Notice the wording: "The aim...is straightforward; to generate positive returns irrespective of whether the stock market rises and falls" - that comment doesn't age well. Not surprisingly the old links don't work.

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I'm going off memory here but pretty sure the pitch this was a very conservative style of investment. Their comp was the RBA cash rate. The strategy was to be equally long and short. They would go long on 'high quality' companies and short on 'low quality' companies. So all things being equal they would get no alpha from the market and all the alpha from an assessment of quality of the company, their product and management. Here was their performance over nearly four years:

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The only thing that sucks worse than to be them is to be their investors.

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Fair enough Noddy. i dont know how RM still gets the recognition. re your own portfolio, i would have a plan B on the risky stocks. if we ever get into a 12-18 month bear market, it is a lot tougher than anything we have had in the last 10 years (1-3 months). many cant last and sell out in despair. as a retail investor you have that flexibility.

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Bear77
2 years ago

05-Dec-2021: Just read this from Roger Montgomery (dated 19th November 2021): Inflation fears will soon fade… « ROGER MONTGOMERY

I'm not as optimistic myself; I think we are going to get some wage pressure and inflation will pick up, but Roger does present an interesting view there.

One of the reasons I think we are going to see rising wages is that there are shortages of skilled workers all over the place currently, particularly in mining and mining services. FIFO was either not possible at some stages in recent times, or was problematic, particularly if you lived in a different state to where you worked, and even with all border restrictions removed, if that ever happens, things are not going to just go back to the way they were two years ago, because there have been some fundamental shifts in some workforces. Some people have given up work, or looking for work. Others have changed jobs or changed careers and are now working in completely different industries. You can't shut down sectors for months and then expect that all of those workers are going to be sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring when you want to fire up again. That's my thesis anyway, that people have tried doing different things, and they like those different things more than what they were doing previously. Increased wages is a natural progression from a worker shortage, and increased wages in some parts of the economy tends to lead to wage pressure in the rest of the economy. "If you want me to work for you, you're going to have to pay up, because I can see other options out there that pay a lot better than what you are offering." That sort of thing.

This is based on FY results commentary and AGM comentary from mining services companies and other companies (like engineering and construction companies), as well as feedback from people who work in those industries, particularly in remote areas. There is plenty of work, but not plenty of workers, and the amounts being offered are rising along with the worker shortages.

By the way, when searching for this thread, I also found another one with a similar name, and a similar theme - Where to from here for ASX? (strawman.com)

Many of the posts are from me, and are usually inspired by something I read on the day that I thought was worth sharing and discussing. It's interesting that a number of the topics we were discussing 12 and 18 months ago, are often the same topics we are discussing today, because we still see the same indicators, yet here we are, the sky hasn't fallen in, and the market keeps grinding higher over time. There WILL be another major crash or "correction" at some point, and a few minor or ordinary corrections along the way as well, but we always recover from them, and so I tend to remain alert but not alarmed, and I'm usually mostly fully invested, most of the time. Damn near all of the time actually. I have never sold everything and gone to cash, I have never even gone to 50% cash, and if I ever do that will likely signal the bottom of whatever we're going through at that time and the market will come roaring back as soon as I've sold up. Just like most companies that I buy tend to fall immediately afterwards. Luckilly a good number of them rise later, to well above my buy price. Not all, but a good number. As long as the investment thesis still holds up, and you can't see a better place to put that money (a better idea with more upside and less risk), then the best thing to do is usually to do nothing at all. Volatility is our friend. It's Mr. Market at his irrational best. It's where the best opportunities come from. Instead of keeping a lot of cash on the sidelines waiting for a crash, I'd rather wait for a crash and sell some cheap stocks to buy some REALLY cheap stocks. That way, when the market IS going up, I'm fully exposed to that. I just see cash as a wasted opportunity mostly. But that's just me, and it won't work for everybody.

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shadow
2 years ago

For those in the tech sector - the international border closures and resulting reduction in migrants have really driven up wages there too.

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Noddy74
2 years ago

Hey Bear, I was once an avid follower of Roger Montgomery. I generally found him to be a pretty reliable and honest information source. I remember in the depths of the GFC when the All Ords was bouncing off 3000 points and he was still saying stock prices were still only in the fair value range i.e. not cheap. He often used the phrase 'don't ask a barber if you need a haircut' as a caution to his readers about believing everything the investment industry tells you. It was ironic he said that because at some point after that he became as bad as anyone in terms of promoting the market. I stopped reading his blog ages ago because I felt it had no balance so I'm not surprised he's still in full bull mode.

I've also been of the view inflation is not transitory and rates will rise sooner than the reserve bank says. But I'm also almost fully invested, largely in small/micro caps with many company's whose earnings are also skewed to the right of screen. So there's definitely a conflict between what I think and where I'm invested. I have been adjusting but only at the margins because I think you have to stick fat to your strategy and not try and time the market. With a long enough time frame it will work itself out.

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Bear77
2 years ago

Agreed. Roger tends to mostly talk up his own book these days, especially when he's on TV, spruiking companies he already holds, many of which seem quite expensive to me - and he would have gotten into them at lower price-points. That's why I rarely link to anything he writes these days, because most of it is blatantly self-serving, however this time I thought he was presenting an interesting argument that while I don't personally agree with, I thought had some merit. And he didn't spend the whole article spruiking his own holdings. I guess now that he runs his own funds management business and wants to increase his FUM he can't be too negative or people won't want to give him their cash to invest.

Marcus Padley is another who has changed his tune a lot since he started managing funds on behalf of others rather than just being a stockbroker with a newsletter. He's gone from "sell everything!" when things look dire - or he's going on vacatation - to more "volatility is to be expected, we just need to ride it out". He still tends to overreact at times, and he's buying and selling way too much, but that's his style, once a stockbroker, always a stockbroker's mindset.

Personally, I wouldn't invest money with either of them, but occasionally they'll pen an article that's worth sharing - or summarise a situation in an interesting way. In terms of the best funds manager in Australia, I think one man stands head and shoulders above the rest, and that is Hamish Douglass at Magellan, and I do have money invested in one of his funds (MGF) and in his management company (MFG). In terms of Australian-company-focussed fundies (as Magellan has a global focus) I default to FGX, the Future Generation Australia Fund, which gives you access to a number of Australia's best boutique fundies, and all you pay is a 1% annual charity donation, with zero management and zero performance fees. I do have some of my kids' money invested in FGX as well.

Edit: Additional: I should point out that I have had the MGF funds invested for a few years, since well before they changed from MGG to MGF, however I've only recently got back into MFG, the management company, because I think they've gone from overbought at around $60/share and over $70/share in February 2020 (where I unfortunately had zero exposure to them, having sold out of them at lower levels for a much smaller profit than I could have made) to now being around $31/share. I started buying MFG again when they were around $40 and have bought more as they have fallen even lower. If they went back to $60 I would likely take profits. Hamish has had a poor year from a funds performance viewpoint, as he's underperformed his benchmark MSCI index, but over time he's made billions for investors, and my view is that the best time to get into a funds management company IS when they've just had a period of relative underperformance and their share price has been hammered. That's now, in my opinion, so I'm back in.

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Bear77
2 years ago

Hey Noddy, a friend just sent me the following about the wind-up last year of Roger's "Alpha Plus" fund, which had dismal performance and appears to have been wound up at the worst possible time for investors as well.

20200421_MAPF_Closure_Notice.pdf (fundhost.com.au)

Montgomery-Alpha-Plus-Fund_April-2020.pdf (fundhost.com.au)

i.e. just before markets bounced back strongly. The aim of the Montgomery Alpha Plus Fund (which had a long/short strategy) was to outperform in a falling market, especially in a correction or crash, and it clearly failed to do so, as the commentary mentions. Apparently the list of funds that Montgomery Asset Management operate is now a bit shorter than it was at the beginning of last year. I imagine he lost a fair bit of FUM during this period, as people would have been unlikely to have reinvested those funds into other Montgomery funds after having experienced such poor returns. Do we have any members here who have invested with Montgomery? Would be good to get some info on the experience, good or bad.

Of course Roger isn't the only fundie who has had trouble operating a long/short fund. There are a number who have failed to live up to their aims of protecting capital during a market fall. And a number of them are no longer operating.

Edit: Links Fixed.

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Bear77
4 years ago

01-Oct-2020:  https://www.livewiremarkets.com/wires/is-a-vaccine-already-priced-in

Is a vaccine already priced in? by PATRICK POKE (Livewire Markets)

It is unlikely global sharemarkets would have rallied back from March lows to all-time highs without optimism over a Covid-19 vaccine. And while progress towards effective treatments and ultimately an effective cure will continue to drive markets into 2021, investors still need to consider a range of potential outcomes.

With this in mind, we asked Andrew McAuley from Credit Suisse, Olivia Engel from State Street Global Advisors and Anthony Aboud from Perpetual Investments how important (or unimportant) they believe a successful vaccine or treatment for Covid-19 will be to the recovery of markets and economies, and to what extent these positive developments have already been factored in by investors.

--- click on link for more ---

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Bear77
4 years ago

Adapted from Marcus Padley's Saturday Morning email today (01-Aug-2020):

Looking at the Australian and US share markets, it’s reasonable to expect further volatility unless/until a COVID-19 vaccine has been successfully developed and trialled. 

On Friday 31st July, the Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL) share price rose +10.5%, Facebook (NASDAQ: FB) rose +8.2% and Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN) was up +3.7% (with reported revenue up +40%).  On the back of those moves, the NASDAQ managed a +1.49% rise and the Dow Jones rose +114 points (Apple is in the Dow Jones index). 

Meanwhile the real economy hasn’t improved, with Caterpillar (NYSE: CAT) down -2.8% on results, Chevron (NYSE: CVX) down -2.7% on results, Boeing (NYSE: BA) down -2.4%, Under Armour (NYSE: UAA) down -8.1%, Expedia (NASDAQ: EXPE) down -4.6%, and Wynn Resorts (NASDAQ: WYNN) down -5.2%.   

The Tech sector is holding up the US indices on its own.  Six Big Tech Stocks account for almost 30% of the S&P 500 and they are making a fortune out of the pandemic which has sat the global population in front of their computers and those companies’ products.  

When you consider that the average annual revenue per employee of Apple is US$2.89 million, Alphabet (Google) is US$2.08m, Facebook is US$7.97m, Netflix is US$11.06m and Amazon is US$2.53 million, you begin to realise that these companies, which also pay less tax than the average S&P 500 company, are fantastic investments for their shareholders but are not helping the employment problem in the US, which means the stock market that they support is not representing the US economy.  

No wonder the Stock Market Market-Cap-to-GDP ratio is at a record 1.5x  (Warren Buffett says it should be about the same, i.e. 1.0x). 

Bear77 adds:  Back here in Oz, we don't have that massive Tech sector propping up our own share market.  Our largest two sectors - Banking and Materials - have been MUCH more subdued.  While there are clearly some individual companies on our market who are trading at higher prices than the fundamentals suggest they should, and there are also clearly pockets of the market that look overpriced (sectors or sub-sectors of sectors), on the whole I believe our market is more reflective of our underlying economy and its outlook - along with the outlook for our Australian listed companies.  The Tech-sector distortion that is evident in the US market is not a problem here.  We don't have a handful of companies propping up our market like they do. 

I'm not particularly bearish on the US Tech sector - I retain exposure to it via MGG, MHH, WGB and WQG.  However, I'm not personally investing directly in US companies.  I'm leaving it to those fund managers who specialise in that.  There are plenty of opportunities here on the ASX to keep me busy.  And our market is more reflective of the reality out in the community, in the real world, where things are not wonderful, and many companies are still struggling, especially the smaller ones and the ones with higher cost bases - and the more capital-intensive businesses.  Obviously the market is forward-looking, so most companies are priced for where the market sees them in the future rather than where they are today, and there are some reasons to be hopeful about the future.  But there is plenty of uncertainty as well, and I think that's clearly priced in with many of the companies I'm looking at - or hold.  And that can certainly present opportunities if you are prepared to take a longer-term view with patient capital.

Our market is far from perfect, but it's better than what I see when I look over at the US market.

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