Forum Topics GQG GQG November 2024 FUM

Pinned straw:

Added 12 months ago

It was a hotly anticipated FUM update this month, by me anyway, given how hard I've gone at this one. With this morning's release of flat FUM both from flows and performance you might be wondering what the fuss was about - and you'd be right!! But that ignores the kafuffle in recent weeks caused by Adani-related allegations of management impropriety. Those allegations led to major falls in Adani-owned companies share prices, and given Adani is one of - if not THE - largest GQG holding, it also led to an immediate major fall in GQG's CDI price.

The GQG fall seemed exaggerated given Adani represented less than 10% of their FUM, but unlike the Adani companies the GQG share price didn't bounce back. The discrepancy could really only be attributed to an expectation that there would be a rush to the exits and institutions would take their GQG business elsewhere. That may still happen but thus far any impact from Adani appears to be minor, with net flows in November actually slightly positive. The inclusion of a table showing gross inflows over the past four Novembers would appear to be a poke in the eye to those who were expecting Armageddon.

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Even the short term effect of Adani's performance impact on FUM was able to be offset by positive contributors from other parts of the portfolio, with overall portfolio performance flat in the month. Management also noted both flows and performance have been strong in the first week of December, with total FUM at a near record of US$161.5 billion.

The only slight negative was the announcement that their CDI buyback would be cancelled given concerns about the tax treatment in the US. Mixed feelings. On the one hand if they're going to buy them back, this is the time to do it. On the other, the effect of that would be to reduce the free float, and to some extent it's the lack of free float that is causing such volitivity in their price. Founder Rajiv Jain has indicated he will be personally buying on market instead.

At the current price they're 10x consensus EBIT. I accept "cheap" is a nebulous concept when it comes to valuation but compare them to companies growing at a similar rate, or its peers, or almost any other valuation metric you want to pick and it's hard to come up with any other conclusion than it looks cheap.

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Mujo
Added 12 months ago

I think the sell-off was overdone.

That said, the key question is whether it was enough to sully his reputation with advisers/asset consultants and outflows start - or not. It's a slow bleed - things don't happen quickly. Magellan took 18-24 months. Not out of the woods yet.

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Noddy74
Added 12 months ago

"No one got sacked for hiring IBM" comes to mind.

Performance is going to be everything. If they underperform for a decent length of time flows will slow or stop. But right now, with their history of performance they're IBM. Do you really want to be the guy that withdraws client's funds to see them underperform where you had them? At the margin will it have an impact? Possibly in the short term, especially when it comes to new business. But if they deliver on performance it will quickly be forgotten. That's not an insignificant if, but that's the if I'll be watching.

They're certainly not bullet-proof. GQG had some holdings in Russian companies at the start of the Ukraine War. But in a way that gives me some comfort. They continued to grow FUM during and after this and, other than a single month a couple of months after the war began, have had positive flows every single month since (there was a brief period where they were only breaking down performance versus flows on a quarterly basis).

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Mujo
Added 12 months ago

I’d highlight the global equities space is very competitive. GQG was performing at the right time just as magellan blew up in the AFR and was smart to list here as well to increase awareness during that period to capture those flows. I definitely wouldn’t call them IBM in that example but agree if they perform again this can be put behind them.

This FUM transition takes ages. I’d be more interested to see how this plays out over 6 months, as it’s way too early to tell IMHO.

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