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Added a month ago

Share price jumped 20%~ between 1230 and 1300 today to a high of $2.92, with volumes of 435k being traded before falling back to $2.33 an hour later. Very interesting. a 'Please Explain' query was issued and answered by 1500. Waiting to see who (or what) was so keen on GNG and why..

Bear77
Added a month ago

Yeah @pubenvelope I did comment on that earlier here (https://strawman.com/forums/topic/10402#post-31726) this afternoon, posting that just as the market closed I think it was. It's under "CYL instead of "GNG" because I had commented on GNG rising up to $2.92 this arvo in my post about CYL (Catalyst Metals) rising on drilling results and continuing drilling newsflow to come, so I thought I'd tack on the extra post about the ASX's Query Letter there as well.

Something to keep in mind, as I mentioned there, is the low liquidity, so while volume was up, it wasn't crazy-high, like they traded 684,000 shares today for a total traded dollar value of $1.7 million, and that is 3 times what they traded yesterday, about 35% up on Tuesday's volume, and so on. It wasn't shooting the lights out high.

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Daily traded volume is in the far right column, dates are in the left side column.

Here's how GNG ended today after the CSPA at 4:10pm:

[Note their intraday high of $2.92 became their new 52 week high as highlighted by the green boxes, below right]

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If that was the spread during the trading day (instead of after the close) and somebody placed one buy trade "At Market" (meaning without a limit price) for 71,000 shares (worth around $188 K), that would take the price up to $2.75. If the buy was instead for 127,000 shares (not 71,000), the new last traded price would be $2.82.

Even buying just 19,001 shares would take the price from $2.46 (last traded price) up to $2.60.

And an "At Market" sell for just 7,200 shares would take the share price down to $2.25 based on that spread.

I can't know for sure, but I'd bet that's what happened; somebody placed an "at market" buy order without checking the buy/sell spread, specifically the offer price points and volume (the Sellers, how much they were selling, and what they wanted to sell for). That explains why it spiked up suddenly taking out a bunch of sellers at different price points, and then came back down almost as quickly. It certainly generated some FOMO interest, but as the sellers stepped up to take advantage of a share price above $2.50 the trading slowed down considerably and they closed up +3.8% instead of +23.2% which is what they would have been up if they had held on to that intraday high of $2.92. Which was never going to happen of course.

You have to set limit prices with these low liquidity companies!

There are two other possibilities of course. One is that somebody is trying to accumulate a decent stake, but the volume traded and the fact that the share price came back down so fast suggests this was a mistake not an intentional strategy. The other possibility is that somebody is trying to generate interest in the company and suggest that it's either in play or is in demand, but if that's the plan, it's fairly clumsy and not too convincing, so I think the most likely cause was an order placed "At Market" instead of "At Limit".

Below the one year GNG share price line graph above, on the right, you can view the daily volume bar graph of GNG shares traded over the last year (the red and green vertical bars), and you can see they've traded over a million shares on two days, been up to a million on another two, and have traded over 500,000 (half a million) shares on more than 20 days over the past 12 months, so today's volume of 683,911 shares isn't out of the ordinary for GNG; it's a solid day; it's more than what they usually trade, sure, but they've traded greater volume on more than a dozen other days in the past year.

Anyway, it had me interested, as I do hold GNG shares, and I like the company a lot.

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pubenvelope
Added a month ago

Thanks for the great explanation @Bear77. Appreciate the breakdown. Is my understanding correct when I say that the price came back from its year high due to holders taking profits?

I am slightly kicking myself as I happened to check the market during the window when it peaked up 20% on no news and did ponder selling a portion (of course I didn’t and continued to hold). Still not bad though.

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Bear77
Added a month ago

Yes @pubenvelope I think that's correct, as GNG is probably not traded too much, because of the lack of liquidity, so most holders are investors who have an idea of where they see value, so if I'm right and it was a mistake made by somebody where they placed a buy order "at market" instead of nominating an upper limit that they were willing to pay, or they used a limit price that was incorrect (too high), which caused the spike up to around that $2.90 level, then you either have people seeing that on their live watchlist or else receiving a notification (price alert) because they've set that up through their online broker, so, unless you had inside information about the liklihood of GNG announcing one or more large new EPC contracts soon, those $2.90 levels look overbought for GNG with their current order book and current forward guidance, so if I was overweight GNG, as in held more than I thought was ideal, then I'd absolutely trim some immediately at those sort of levels if I saw that spike happen, or received an alert that it had occurred. So, as you say, taking profits.

Because there wasn't really a surge in demand, just one mistake and some FOMO orders (they must know something, I better buy some), the bids (buyers) dried up very quickly and that's why the GNG share price came down so much and so fast. Back to close at $2.46, and they've been down to $2.40 today already, currently trading at $2.42, so everything's back to normal now.

In my opinion, I'm a little underweight GNG compared to the weighting that I believe would be ideal, and that is because (as I said here on the day of their AGM), I had reduced my position ahead of their November AGM because of concerns over some of their larger projects falling over, like BHP's decision to put their West Musgrave nickel project on hold and the beneficiation plant for the Yangibana rare earths project for Hastings that GNG were awarded in August last year with Hastings probably now going to go broke after running out of money and being in dispute with their largest lender, Twiggy Forrest's Wyloo Metals. Wyloo will likely end up with full ownership of Yangibana and may choose to defer further development while REO prices remain as low as they are, unless the Federal Government decide to bankroll the project like they have recently done with Iluka's Eneabba REO project. That deal is covered extensively by the MoM crew here: Eneabba: A $2b Disaster in Waiting? WTF... [Mon 9th Dec 2024].

However, as I reported here in my "#2024 AGM and Annual Report" straw a couple of weeks ago, GNG appear to have replaced that work already and are guiding for slightly higher revenue for FY25 than FY24, weighted more to the first half (the half that finishes at the end of this month) so they're not relying on a stronger second half; they are guiding for increased revenue WITHOUT a stronger second half. That means that any new contracts GNG are awarded that result in revenue in H2 could produce even better results than their current guidance.

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Source: GNG's 2024 AGM Presentation [27-Nov-2024]

So, I'm now in a position where I've trimmed my GNG position at lower levels last month (ahead of their AGM) and now want to accumulate more, however I had previously accumulated most of my GNG shares at below $2, and I'd rather buy more below $2.20 where I think there is value than up at $2.40 or above where they are now. I certainly wasn't buying yesterday, and I wasn't selling any either because I already feel I am underweight GNG considering they're one of my 5 favourite companies to own shares in (Lycopodium is still #1 for me, and GNG move around between #2 and #5 depending on how I'm feeling about the others at the time).

I would like to see LYL acquire GNG, but it would have to be done via an off-market takeover offer, not done on-market, because of the huge insider ownership of GNG which means there's a reduced free float, so not a lot of shares for sale at any given time; 55% of the company is owned by the founders and directors and their families.

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Source: GNG's 2024 AGM Presentation [27-Nov-2024]

Anyway, they're my current thoughts on GNG and what probably happened yesterday @pubenvelope. Hope that helps a bit.

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pubenvelope
Added a month ago

That absolutely helps @Bear77, always love your deep dives. Reading and discussing these things with you definitely increases my understanding. What really excites me about GNG is their consistent track record of securing and delivering quality EPC contracts—especially in energy and resources—which gives me confidence in their ability to navigate challenges. That space (energy and resources) can be difficult to make profits on, I've seen many contractors take a loss on projects I've been on. I have a small parcel at $1.75 and will accumulate more if it dips back toward $2, although I don't know how likely that will be. Cheers!

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Bear77
Added 4 weeks ago

Just a small point @pubenvelope - With Energy, that's GNG's annual recurring revenue (ARR) division, mostly through multi-year operations and maintenance contracts for energy assets such as well heads and offshore floating platforms, for large and small energy sector players (i.e. the owners of those assets), so that's not EPC, which is Engineering, Procurement and Construction. Most of GNG's revenue does come via EPC contracts through their larger GR Engineering division, which is almost all for the mining and minerals processing sectors, with gold and copper being a specialty for GNG (as it also is for LYL).

Both GNG and LYL do dozens of studies every year, starting with scoping studies, which often lead to pre-feasibility studies (PFS) which then often lead to Definitive Feasibility Studies (DFS), which many are now just calling Feasibility Studies (they're dropping the "D"). Those final studies - the FS or DFS - also previously known as BFS - Bankable Feasibility Studies - are what informs the FID - or Final Investment Decision - because the FS (/DFS/BFS) contains all of the necessary information to make a decision whether to proceed with the project (fund it) or not.

Both GNG and LYL (GNG mostly in Australia, LYL mostly overseas) get paid well for completing these studies regardless of whether the projects ultimately get green lighted (positive FIDs) or not, but when a project DOES get a green light from the owners and they get the funding sorted, the company that has completed the studies has the inside running to get the EPC contract because they already know the project inside out from completing the studies.

Not every company that does these studies also has engineering and construction capabilities, but both GNG & LYL do, and those EPC contracts are where they make most of their money. That's why the levels of studies they are working on, and the metals / minerals / sectors that those studies are focused on, can give us a reasonably good idea of their future pipeline of EPC work. It's not a linear relationship because (a) not all projects get built, and (b) GNG and LYL don't always get the contracts to build them, but when they have bugger-all studies happening, that's generally not good in terms of not boding well for their future levels of EPC work. At the moment they have plenty of studies ongoing, so it is good.

So EPC can also be thought of as the design of the processing facility (engineering), sourcing of materials required for the build, including pre-fabricated and pre-built items, like ball mills, sometimes tanks (unless they're going to be built on-site), large steel pipes (of various types and angles), walkways, stairways, pumps, etc. (procurement), and then building it all (construction).

If they tack an "M" on the end (EPCM), it also involves Managing the entire project. Lycopodium often do EPCM contracts, and sometimes EPM contracts where they leave the actual Construction to another company, such as an in-country construction company when operating in countries where that makes sense to do, or is a requirement of the client or the government of the country. EPM contracts are sometimes called EP & PM contracts which means Engineering, Construction & Project Management. In this game there seems to be a few different names for the same thing (like a BFS and a DFS).

Anyway, point is GNG's Energy division tend to be awarded multi-year maintenance or operations-and-maintenance contracts for Energy (Oil and Gas) companies (ARR), and their Engineering division lands the EPC contracts - which is usually lumpy revenue because it tends to mostly be one-off contracts, but it's all good; the main thing is they're keeping busy.

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