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Pinned straw:

Added 4 months ago

Quite the early Christmas turd for shareholders. Abrupt announcement with not a lot of clarity or context.


Leadership Changes

The Board of EML Payments Limited (EML:ASX) (“EML”) today announces that it has

elected to discontinue Mr Ron Hynes’s employment agreement as Managing Director

and Chief Executive Officer from 21 December 2024 having resolved that alternate

leadership is required to execute the Company’s strategy, EML 2.0. Ron will receive

six months’ notice but will not receive any equity grants given he will not be in

employment on the relevant vesting dates.

The Board and leadership team are wholeheartedly committed to our medium-term

strategy EML 2.0 which was communicated to shareholders and the investment

community at the Company’s 2024 Annual General Meeting on 26 November 2024.

Guidance for FY25 underlying EBITDA in the range of A$54-60m is affirmed.


Executive Chair

Current Independent Non-Executive Chair, Mr. Anthony Hynes will assume the role of

Executive Chair effective 23 December 2024. Anthony brings a wealth of experience

in the operation of successful global payments businesses and has developed a

deep understanding of the EML business over the past six months since his

appointment to the Board on 30 June 2024. Anthony’s remuneration during the

period of his Executive Chair appointment will be A$67,000 per month, inclusive of

his current Chair fee, being the equivalent of the former CEO’s Total Fixed

Remuneration.

Anthony said “Our energised, passionate and broadened leadership team is building

momentum and I’m excited to lend them my further support as we work hard to build

a high-performance culture and make 2025 a formative year for EML. I love the

payments industry having dedicated a significant part of my professional life to it

and the upside for EML following the successful execution of our strategy is

significant.”


Deputy Chair

The Board has appointed Independent Non-Executive Director and Chair of the Audit

and Risk Committee, Mr. Ken Poutakidis as Deputy Chair effective 23 December

2024. Ken is an experienced ASX Director with deep understanding in equity capital

markets and financial services. Ken’s remuneration as Deputy Chair will increase to

$175k per annum in line with EML’s Non-executive Director fee structure as

published in the Company’s 2024 Remuneration Report.

Anthony, together with the leadership team, look forward to sharing progress on EML

2.0 and the FY25 H1 financial results with shareholders at the FY25 Interim results

presentation scheduled for 26 February 2025.


jcmleng
Added 4 months ago

Just what we bloody needed before Christmas ... the vague announcement, the abruptness of it and the short duration all makes it look like a shitshow of some sort with Ron. EML has also been here before with Emma Shand turfed out not long after commencing, so EML has a track record of these rapid turf outs. So, not a great look at all.

BUT, if I zoom out of the current shitshow, the following appears to be still intact:

  1. EBITDA guidance for FY2025 was reaffirmed - so no "because Richard-was-an-idiot-our-new-capability-rollout-and-revenue-is-impacted" type impact on the business. Thats a big tick
  2. No evidence to suggest that EML 2.0 is in any trouble - it has been barely 4 weeks since the Strategy Update, the reaffirming guidance helps provide some confirmation of this. Another tick
  3. Anthony Haynes is the dude that ploughed $0.52m to buy a 0.24% stake in EML in Oct 2024 - he has skin in the game AND the controls to the busines. He appears to have the experience and industry credentials to lead EML. Thats another tick


Will need to wait until the 1H results and take stock then.

If the numbers show that the EML2.0 is working well, then all well and good, we move on - this saga could then be put down as Ron being somehow incompatible with EML and so, his early turfing would be a plus rather than a negative.

If the numbers show that the EML2.0 is struggling, then it might be that Ron saw something that the Board didn't, tried to change course, didn't win and was turfed. That would strain my thesis and force me to reevaluate.

Not much more to work on other than the above, unfortunately ...

Discl: Held IRL and in SM.

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edgescape
Added 4 months ago

More like Grinch had taken Christmas away

Had been watching this. Will hold off for now

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GazD
Added 4 months ago

@thunderhead and @edgescape yes I’d been watching with some interest too… I guess if I was really convinced already this could be a buying opportunity but I was still in ‘contemplation’

the language is not positive, reminiscent of mineral resources and wisetech… wonder what’s to come

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thunderhead
Added 4 months ago

Turd was the operative word :)

@jcmleng makes the hopeful case.

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edgescape
Added 4 months ago

Trying to learn some technical.

Classic gap fill at 67c before quickly bouncing back up. Below indicator is OBV. Still hope I guess seeing OBV did not dip too far ...

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jcmleng
Added 4 months ago

@edgescape yep, classic gap closing. The 70c zone has reasonable support history in the last 2 years, so that is not a bad place to land after today's shitshow.

Would be very interesting to see if it would re-test the 52-week low around the 60c level in the coming days/weeks.

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edgescape
Added 4 months ago

@jcmleng

Looks like Tamim Asset Management was the whale buyer yesterday on volume. Hence why OBV recovered.

In good company I guess??

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jcmleng
Added 4 months ago

@edgescape , thanks for posting that. Market seems to be agreeing thus far, with a ~15% reversal up today - I was braced for further falls towards 60c instead.

Ron being US-based vs Anthony, likely to be Aussie based, could have been another (big?) factor in the turfing. From past (and painful) experience, having a Yank helm the top can be a big hit and miss, culturally, style, location base etc. Looking back, that was a minor flag for me back then, but I totally waved it away given that Ron certainly had the right credentials on paper and he came across OK during the calls.

Don't know Anthony from a bar of soap, so the more people in the market that agree with the move, the better!

Discl: Held IRL and in SM

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UlladullaDave
Added 4 months ago

Ron being US-based vs Anthony, likely to be Aussie based, could have been another (big?) factor in the turfing.

It seems as though there wasn't much more to it than the board not believing Ron could implement the vision. The middle of the night sacking was more to do with the board wanting him gone before he became eligible for his LTI/STI and service rights than any "sackable offence" type scenario.

None of that changes how poorly run this business has been through successive leadership teams. This is just the latest edition.

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edgescape
Added 4 months ago

Well I'm keeping an open mind here.

But before I take any action, has anyone got a transcript or summary of the EML 2.0 conference call back in Nov?

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Karmast
Added 4 months ago

@edgescape Ron at Tamim has been a huge EML bull for about 5 years now. So he has ridden it all way down from about $5 to where is now. That's about an 80% loss I suspect. Good on him for still having conviction if that's what it is...but I wouldn't read too much into his calls on EML as they have been wrong for a long time now...

Joe Aston even wrote him up for it a couple of years ago, when he was still at the AFR as below -

To be fair the fund he runs does have a good track record but it's no thanks to EML.



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“Congrats and big thank you to the muppet who sold EML to $4.92 this morning,” he tweeted (with laughing and clapping emojis, naturally) in January 2020. EML’s share price is now 94¢.

He tweeted in February 2020, that EML “has been our largest holding since I joined Tamim at $1.35 and we have bought more along the way”.

Ron joined TAMIM in 2018, months after the Boat Fund, which he founded, was wound up. Before that, he ran his own marketing agency.

“I just want to say great job Reddit Army,” he tweeted in February 2021. “You squeezed the nuts out of the EML short sellers today.”

Two months later: “Our new valuation for EML is $8.”

“EML update isn’t great,” Ron tweeted the following month, after the company disclosed that the Central Bank of Ireland had raised significant concerns over EML’s anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism finance controls.

By October 2021, he spitballed: “I wouldn’t be surprised if EML is already working behind the scenes to have another e-money licence in a different country and kiss the Irish goodbye.” With laughing emoji.

In Ron’s fantasies, EML was fleeing to Cyprus, perhaps co-locating with John Karantzis.

In November 2021, Ron again described EML as “our largest holding”.

He omitted to mention that he personally owns 2.3 million EML shares, or 0.64 per cent of the company. In 2017, he owned 4 million EML shares.

“I see EML shorts growing but my guess is they (sic) wrong again. Watch out for the squeeze,” he tweeted in February this year, when the stock was at $3.13, or 232 per cent higher than it is now.

On Monday, EML’s veteran chief executive Tom Cregan resigned abruptly.

Ron had a hot take: “It’s obviously unexpected, but the stock is very cheap at these levels, so it could make them a takeover target.”

You almost have to admire Ron’s berserk confirmation bias. It could be the work of John Cleese.

Ron has earned his place in the ranks of Australia’s great social media over-sharers. In the hall of fame, they’ll hang his portrait next to James Spenceley’s.

It may be arguable in the modern world, which celebrities mindlessly rule, that there’s no such thing as bad publicity, but the precept sadly doesn’t apply to asset management.





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edgescape
Added 4 months ago

@Karmast

I'm well aware of that article. In fact it kind of disturbs me that we both hold Gentrack even though it never stopped me from holding! Something I need to get used to. But then if we obsess on these things we potentially miss out on opportunities.

Just an update, I like to add I did additional research on the Gentrack product that was not done by Shamgar or other analysts.

This is why we do our own research and validate the thesis.

I got hold of the chair and CEO address transcript so will spend time checking it for clues. Would be good if there was a recording though.

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