Forum Topics Using Gen AI for Equity Research
Slomo
Added 4 weeks ago

Interesting interview on the excellent TWII pod from a few weeks ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IpImtzYLF0&list=PLmX3nul4ishIIEZ2_lchlg9hUSYor0Yoy&index=1

This guy has spun up an AI analyst for US (only) companies.

Works for dual listed like RMD too.

Just put in the US ticker and your e-mail address and it sends you a 40+ page PDF of the result.

Free to use (while in beta), will likely be unaffordable for retail investors when they monetise it later so get in now if you’re interested.

https://www.veritasalpha.com/frg

Very comprehensive starting point for analysing a business – includes SWOT, Porter’s 5 forces, etc.

Has me thinking about how to replicate / modify for ASX businesses…

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Strawman
Added 4 weeks ago

That's very cool @Slomo

We've been thinking a lot about AI and how it can be used in a way that is a genuine value add for Strawman members. But, importantly, in a way that leverages our unique content.

Watch this space...

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tomsmithidg
Added 4 weeks ago

I'm probably in the minority here, but I had to research the 'cash secured Put Option', and now I'm very curious about what sort of premium I'd get for this strategy.

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Tom73
Added 4 weeks ago

@tomsmithidg have a read of the Option Trading forum posts for some information (Options Trading), but the premium will depend on the strike price, time to maturity and implied volatility (Black Scholes model will give you a technical value base on these assumptions).

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Rick
Added 4 weeks ago

@tomsmithidg If you want to get a feeling for market prices for option trades check out this ASX site https://www.asx.com.au/markets/trade-our-derivatives-market/derivatives-market-prices/single-stock-derivatives

Here you can search the underlying stock, the strike price and date, option type and see what offers/bids are out there. You can also see the open interest. I would usually start here before going onto CommSec to trade. As soon as you put in an offer/bid a market maker usually responds with a counter offer/bid to let you know what they are prepared to pay/take. This disappears shortly after. I would usually work on about a 12 -15% annual return on the cash that’s tied up to cover the option. My goal was not to be exercised so I could keep rolling the cash cover to another trade (Another reason to have the put option expire just before going ex-dividend).

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Solvetheriddle
Added 4 weeks ago

@Slomo , interesting i have a fair bit invested o/s and use Gemini (free version) to do a summary. swot, porter etc for stocks if starting to look at or if i need a double check. The results are not 40pgs more like a couple of thousand words. The detail is good and improving. Probably what i would expect from a new and enthusiastic analyst, not at a level that can pinpoint the critical risks beyond the obvious. i am wondering if i need to move from the free to the paid version for a better detailed result. i heard on an AI podcast that the analogy is talking to a 10-year-old versus a 35-year-old! ok guess I won't know until i try.

i feel there is a lot of potential here that i am not fully utilising, most boil down to analysing the competitive moat (with critical points identified) and secondly scouring the universe (stocks, not planets!) for new ideas that suit my style, like an intelligent and nuanced screen.

thanks ill have alook


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Strawman
Added 7 months ago

Anthropic has a new product specifically for financial analysis:

I haven't tried it yet, but apparently the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth fund is using it (see here)

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lowway
Added 7 months ago

Fascinating @Strawman. Imagine analysing 9000 companies on a regular basis. I struggle with 10-20!!

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Slomo
Added 7 months ago

I like it both ways...

I tend to think that there are broadly 2 ways different ways to use AI for research and analysis.

Open - where a Deep Research or similar model will trawl the internet to conduct research and analysis like an analyst (or 10) would to respond to your prompt. This is generally what people mean when they say LLM I believe and is the default you would get when using ChatGPT, or Google's Gemini, Perplexity, etc.

Closed - where you load the information you want like Annual reports, books, documents, investment checklists, websites, etc and ask it to interrogate ONLY THOSE SOURCES for whatever you want to know. Eg - Changes over 5 Annual reports in the Rem report, KAM, related party transactions, strategy, etc, etc.

Most providers have both options, the standard entry level is usually Open, then Closed are typically within that like CustomGPT, Perplexity's Spaces, Gemini Gems, and Google's NotebookLM (standalone).


So what to use?

Best to use more than one model if you can.

I use Google as my primary AI for a few reasons.

For the standard US$20 per month you get both Gemini (Open) and NotebookLM (Closed).

Gemini's Pro 2.5 is one of the top models according to benchmarks and I am used to it now and like it a lot.

NotebookLM has a lot of capacity to upload PDFs, URLs, etc, etc and a lot of ways to output - audio summaries / podcasts, Summaries, mind maps, etc. I like this even more.

One generic approach I use when looking at a new business is to load a standardised prompt into both Gemini and Perplexity Pro for a particular company. Then generate PDF outputs from the responses and load theses from each into NotebookLM and generate an audio summary.

That way in the space of about an hour (1/2 hour to run + 1/2 hour to listen) you get a podcast style run-down of the most important results from your prompt to steer your next steps in a more informed direction.

If you like the pod you can download it, ask notebook to generate a transcript, etc to archive for reference.

You can also customise the pod with more detailed prompts, make it longer, or shorter and even interrupt with your own questions during (interactive mode). Amazing!


Health warning

There is emerging and growing evidence that AI makes you stupid (paraphrasing).

It seems outsourcing your thinking to AI diminishes your ability to do it for yourself. Makes sense to me.

So it probably depends on how you use it?

A bit like your phone or social media, AI is designed to make you dependent on it, so you need to guard against letting it or it will reduce your ability to DYOR just like social media on your phone has shortened your attention span...

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lowway
Added 7 months ago

Thanks for the tips on the use of AI engines for research @Slomo. Certainly makes sense and as time is the most expensive commodity (maybe not in dollar value, but in terms of your life in totality) in our world, saving any time is always a bonus.

Re the Health Warning, it's probably been the case forever and a day. You don't have to go back centuries to realise digital clocks made a generation unable to read an analogue watch face or calculators killed our ability to do compound maths on the fly!! Plenty of other examples, but I guess there will always be some trade off for productivity or efficiency (always with a warning as you rightly point out.

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Slomo
Added 7 months ago

The story in today’s Fin Review “Will equity analysts be replaced by AI? That’s a billion-dollar question” opens with “Equity analysts are on the precipice of being hugely disrupted by artificial intelligence.”

https://www.afr.com/technology/will-equity-analysts-be-replaced-by-ai-that-s-a-billion-dollar-question-20250716-p5mfaf

Reminds me of the saying AI probably won’t take your job but someone who knows how to use AI might.

Gary Mishuris recently published an interesting article showing his AI use cases as a Portfolio Manager / Analyst - How AI Is Enhancing My Investment Process— and How It Can Help You

https://behavioralvalueinvestor.substack.com/p/how-ai-is-enhancing-my-investment

A more detailed presentation of Gary's approach is here - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i-22YGdka0FATSFE_Svk9io3NaRG22dd/view

Of course any AI use cases should be aligned to your individual strategy but you could do a lot worst than starting here.

One strategy that should work for all in equity analysis and beyond is start by trying to get AI to help you with real world problems and tasks, be prepared for it to surprise you and your curiosity will eventually turn you into someone who knows how to use AI.

If you’re still not sure which AI to use for your purpose… ask AI. They (almost?) all have free versions to try.

Start with that real world problem and you’re on your way.

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Strawman
Added 7 months ago

Enjoyed that substack @Slomo, thanks for sharing.

I really do think that you've just got to dive on in with AI. It can be a bit awkward, and not easy to get a feel for how to make it really work for you, but like all things, practice makes perfect. It's why kids are such naturals with tech, they're not afraid to just mess about and play with it.

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