Forum Topics Using Gen AI for Equity Research
Strawman
Added 5 months ago

Anthropic has a new product specifically for financial analysis:

I haven't tried it yet, but apparently the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth fund is using it (see here)

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lowway
Added 5 months ago

Fascinating @Strawman. Imagine analysing 9000 companies on a regular basis. I struggle with 10-20!!

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Slomo
Added 5 months ago

I like it both ways...

I tend to think that there are broadly 2 ways different ways to use AI for research and analysis.

Open - where a Deep Research or similar model will trawl the internet to conduct research and analysis like an analyst (or 10) would to respond to your prompt. This is generally what people mean when they say LLM I believe and is the default you would get when using ChatGPT, or Google's Gemini, Perplexity, etc.

Closed - where you load the information you want like Annual reports, books, documents, investment checklists, websites, etc and ask it to interrogate ONLY THOSE SOURCES for whatever you want to know. Eg - Changes over 5 Annual reports in the Rem report, KAM, related party transactions, strategy, etc, etc.

Most providers have both options, the standard entry level is usually Open, then Closed are typically within that like CustomGPT, Perplexity's Spaces, Gemini Gems, and Google's NotebookLM (standalone).


So what to use?

Best to use more than one model if you can.

I use Google as my primary AI for a few reasons.

For the standard US$20 per month you get both Gemini (Open) and NotebookLM (Closed).

Gemini's Pro 2.5 is one of the top models according to benchmarks and I am used to it now and like it a lot.

NotebookLM has a lot of capacity to upload PDFs, URLs, etc, etc and a lot of ways to output - audio summaries / podcasts, Summaries, mind maps, etc. I like this even more.

One generic approach I use when looking at a new business is to load a standardised prompt into both Gemini and Perplexity Pro for a particular company. Then generate PDF outputs from the responses and load theses from each into NotebookLM and generate an audio summary.

That way in the space of about an hour (1/2 hour to run + 1/2 hour to listen) you get a podcast style run-down of the most important results from your prompt to steer your next steps in a more informed direction.

If you like the pod you can download it, ask notebook to generate a transcript, etc to archive for reference.

You can also customise the pod with more detailed prompts, make it longer, or shorter and even interrupt with your own questions during (interactive mode). Amazing!


Health warning

There is emerging and growing evidence that AI makes you stupid (paraphrasing).

It seems outsourcing your thinking to AI diminishes your ability to do it for yourself. Makes sense to me.

So it probably depends on how you use it?

A bit like your phone or social media, AI is designed to make you dependent on it, so you need to guard against letting it or it will reduce your ability to DYOR just like social media on your phone has shortened your attention span...

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lowway
Added 5 months ago

Thanks for the tips on the use of AI engines for research @Slomo. Certainly makes sense and as time is the most expensive commodity (maybe not in dollar value, but in terms of your life in totality) in our world, saving any time is always a bonus.

Re the Health Warning, it's probably been the case forever and a day. You don't have to go back centuries to realise digital clocks made a generation unable to read an analogue watch face or calculators killed our ability to do compound maths on the fly!! Plenty of other examples, but I guess there will always be some trade off for productivity or efficiency (always with a warning as you rightly point out.

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Slomo
Added 5 months ago

The story in today’s Fin Review “Will equity analysts be replaced by AI? That’s a billion-dollar question” opens with “Equity analysts are on the precipice of being hugely disrupted by artificial intelligence.”

https://www.afr.com/technology/will-equity-analysts-be-replaced-by-ai-that-s-a-billion-dollar-question-20250716-p5mfaf

Reminds me of the saying AI probably won’t take your job but someone who knows how to use AI might.

Gary Mishuris recently published an interesting article showing his AI use cases as a Portfolio Manager / Analyst - How AI Is Enhancing My Investment Process— and How It Can Help You

https://behavioralvalueinvestor.substack.com/p/how-ai-is-enhancing-my-investment

A more detailed presentation of Gary's approach is here - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i-22YGdka0FATSFE_Svk9io3NaRG22dd/view

Of course any AI use cases should be aligned to your individual strategy but you could do a lot worst than starting here.

One strategy that should work for all in equity analysis and beyond is start by trying to get AI to help you with real world problems and tasks, be prepared for it to surprise you and your curiosity will eventually turn you into someone who knows how to use AI.

If you’re still not sure which AI to use for your purpose… ask AI. They (almost?) all have free versions to try.

Start with that real world problem and you’re on your way.

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Strawman
Added 5 months ago

Enjoyed that substack @Slomo, thanks for sharing.

I really do think that you've just got to dive on in with AI. It can be a bit awkward, and not easy to get a feel for how to make it really work for you, but like all things, practice makes perfect. It's why kids are such naturals with tech, they're not afraid to just mess about and play with it.

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Trancer
Added 9 months ago

Fin-R1: A specialised LLM for Financial Reasoning and Decision Making

For those who can't make it through the day without using LLMs extensively or those who aspire to get there, here's something to keep on your radar:

Fin-R1 is a targeted artificial intelligence model that’s been specially designed to help solve financial problems. Think of it as a very smart computer program that can understand complicated financial language and data. It’s been trained using a two-step process: first, by learning from thousands of examples of financial reasoning, and then by fine-tuning its responses using techniques that reward it for giving clear, step-by-step answers. Even though it has a relatively small size compared to other models, it manages to perform really well in financial tasks.

What makes Fin-R1 especially interesting is its potential to transform financial decisions. Imagine a tool that can not only crunch numbers but also explain its thought process in an easy-to-understand way. In time, something like this might be a more effective productivity multiplier than a general LLM. Its ability to handle complex scenarios while remaining efficient could mean more accurate and trustworthy support for businesses and consumers alike, paving the way for smarter, more informed financial strategies.

Here's the paper: https://arxiv.org/html/2503.16252v1#S1

Also separately: I've recently completed the Azure AI Foundations certification which has some nice intro stuff. It's a good place to start if you're new. Note that it's very Microsoft / Copilot centric but thematically it's similar to other Large Language models. The Generative AI module that's part of that certification is here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/training/paths/introduction-generative-ai/. (Just the Fundamentals course component)



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Strawman
Added 9 months ago

That sounds interesting @Trancer, have you tried it? Looks like you have to install locally.

I came across this model (https://financegpt.uk/) but I havent had a proper play around with it yet.

Surprised there havent been more models tailored specifically to financial analysis. At least, none that aren't just a more targeted version of the more general models.

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Ipsum
Added 9 months ago

I gave it a try. I used LM Studio (https://lmstudio.ai/). This is a tool that runs on your own computer and handles downloading and running models for you. It's not as as simple as using ChatGPT but makes it a bit easier to play with publicly available models.

I searched for 'fin-r1' and downloaded the 8GB model. Once loaded it used about 8GB of RAM. I have a Macbook M2 Max which is reasonably good at running small models like this one.

I copied some figures from Yahoo Finance and created a prompt:

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It took about 30 seconds and finished with:

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This is a pretty simple test and not particularly useful, but it's not a terrible answer. I'd be interested if anyone has suggestions for a more useful test.

My guess is that this would be quite useful paired with more general-purpose models, possibly as one step in a workflow that uses multiple prompts.

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mushroompanda
Added 9 months ago

+1 LM Studio for mucking around with Local LLMs. It's a lot more simple than the other alternatives as it can load LLM models and has a chat client all in one app.

Macbook Pro M1 MAX represent. Apple is going to sell a lot of high end hardware to nerds - they are by far the most value for money inference machines on the market today.

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Trancer
Added 9 months ago

No, not tried it yet but glad to see someone else has. I was going to play around with it on the weekend.

I wonder if, in time, the best LM in this space will be privately owned and used as a productivity multiplier / accelerator....?

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SudMav
Added 9 months ago

I haven’t had a chance to view the meeting on ai research to see if it was discussed, however I have been playing around with Google’s Notebook LM over the past few weeks and it’s actually quite impressive.

you can upload a whole bunch of documents and it’s able to create timelines and extract key information and mind maps to help you understand how a company works

i am quite enjoying the studio tool as its able to use the content provided and put together an interactive “podcast” style discussion that talks about the reports

you can also use the customise when you generate to help it focus on topics that you find interesting

limitations are that there’s limits on number of workspaces and audio created, however it’s a great tool for people like me who have issues reading content while on public transport

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Trancer
Added 9 months ago

Agreed, i've used this to ingest data to play podcast whilst driving..... It's a great tool!

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