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jcmleng
Added 9 months ago

The end-of-day WTC chart sums up the position perfectly. An almost perfect Doji Cross candle, reflecting my own total indecision all day today. I ended up doing nothing. Volume today is noticeably larger that each of the last Oct and Nov 2024 cliff falls.

The next support for further drops is around 87.90, then 83.91, then 80.38.

Thursday will be white-knuckle-type interesting ...

Discl: Held IRL and in SM

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mikebrisy
Added 10 months ago

@thunderhead I'm assuming the following. The findings of the investigation is about to be or has now been reported to the Board, so that there is price sensitive information known to a handful of people: all board members, and also employees of at least two professional services firms, as well as a host of interviewees.

We are now at a point where several things have to happen:

  • The board has to consider and decide their stance on the report
  • There is now a conversation to be had with RW, who will (I imagine) be given a right of reply
  • There is then a decision on the future way forward, and as a c. 38% shareholder, one that ideally involves the support of RW


The scenario you highlight seem likely to me only if there was evidence in the investigation, including the most recent allegations, of criminal wrong-doing or at the very least, a serious breaking of company ethics / business values. Regarding the most recent allegations reported in the press, there is a hint that IF TRUE and substantiated, that is conceivable. But who knows, the press have been quite sensational in their reporting throughout.

Clearly, halting trading for two days before a weekend looks like it is designed to give the board time across 6 days (from Wednesday close to Monday open) to digest important information, and potentially seek to agree an outcome that can draw a line under all of this with RW and to the satisfaction of sahreholders.

One more point, regarding the most recent allegations. It is unclear to me how long these have been known. If they are fresh allegations, then it is highly unlikely the investigation would be in a position to make a recommendation that includes them. After all, lining up interviews and conducting them, and then following up the leads thrown up by the interview all takes time - weeks not days. Of course, just because the most recent allegations have only just appeared in the press says nothing about the timeframe over which they were made and came into the scope of the investigation.

This is precisely the scenario that caused me to reduce my exposure to $WTC by 50%. I explicitly assessed: "what capital am I prepared to have exposed to the risk that the situation with RW still goes pear-shaped." If, as you speculate, this turns out negative for RW and he ceases operational engagement with $WTC, then I imagine we are again looking at a short term 20-30% SP haircut.

But I then come back to the fact that this is a material business of 3,500 employees, mostly in product development, and with a truly global presence. After all, Apple thrived after Jobs, Microsoft after Gates, and even McDonalds after Kroc.

The vision and strategy for $WTC is compelling and clear, and the search for the new CEO is now be well-advanced. In fact, the new CEO job arguably becomes more attractive is RW is out of the way.

It will be interesting to see how the following hours, days and weels unfold!

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UncleWally
Added 10 months ago

@mikebrisy there's some well thought out reasoning in there - thanks!

I wonder if it is possible that the Board can bring forward their reports and hit us with the lot all in one go!


Long time WTC holder IRL so expecting a haircut on Monday!

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lankypom
Added 10 months ago

Maybe I'm a polyanna, but I don't see anything in the reported behaviour of RW which is detrimental to the company he leads. He may be a scuzzball, and as a multi billionaire he doubtless has all kinds of people trying to get a piece of him, but as far as I am aware he hasn't used his position to secure financial gain (a la Min Res), he hasn't mislead investors about the health of the company or about its future prospects.

I also imagine the current tariff tsunami is a bit of a tailwind, since importers will be relying on their logistic systems to try and manage the chaos that Trump has unleashed.

There seems to be an ongoing vendetta by the AFR against RW, I would love to know the root cause, or maybe it is just easy click bait. Another article today rehashed all the allegations but had absolutely nothing new or insightful to add, it is just keeping the pot boiling.

Long term holder in RL, no plans to lighten.

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lankypom
Added 9 months ago

Well it looks like RWs role in the company is assured, but four independent directors have 'resigned' due to 'intractable differences'.

This is all a bit of a sideshow, but regrettably the company has also announced that its revenue for the next half will be to the bottom end of the previously guided range.

I'm guessing the market is going to be unforgiving.

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Solvetheriddle
Added 9 months ago

yes you are rigth, maybe RW should privatise it with a partner PE? so then he can run riot not worry about governance so much lol

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mikebrisy
Added 9 months ago

@Solvetheriddle with Mike Gregg coming back onto the board re-joining Charles McGibbon, both are long term $WTC shareholders as well as being the founding partners of Shearwater Capital. The outstanding capital for $WTC probably (definitely!) exceeds Shearwater's capacity, but perhaps with some other investors, a leveraged buyout could be on the cards? $WTC has a quality of earnings and strength of freecashflow that you could put some decent leverage into it.

Interesting times ahead, for sure. But in McGibbon, Gregg and Isaacs, we now have a board majority loyal to RW, who between them and their network, almost certainly have a controlling interest.

I imagine the large institutional investors will have something to say about the re-formation of the board, and in particular they'll need a chairman they are comfortable with. (Any volunteers?)

But I think you are right, this starts to make more sense as a private equity play, as I imagine it is going to start to get marked down from large institutions over corporate goverance concerns. If that starts to happen and there is a flight from the register, the short term SP drag could be ongoing and material.

A further question is, what will be disclosed to investors about the investigation findings?

And what operational distraction is this continuing to create? Slow rollout blamed for revenue guidance,... is that due to proudct demand or poor execution?

Lot's of questions. Definitely not selling today. But not buying either.

Disc: Held in RL

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thunderhead
Added 9 months ago

Well, colour me surprised (though I shouldn't have put it past him), but good ol' Dick Whitey has turned the tables. Engineered a coup at the board, and taken it over.

While that looks like a positive on a purely business sense, I think the toxic air around his personal life will rub off on the company for some time yet.

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thunderhead
Added 9 months ago
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Solvetheriddle
Added 9 months ago

The only extra thing i would add here is that i suspect there are some insto's that cant stomach the upcoming meetings with consultants and will sell out to avoid that pain. Usually that proves to be the cleansing point. we shall see

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