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Pinned straw:

Added 9 months ago

Dalrymple Bay Infrastructure is a bit different from the usual companies we discuss — not just in size ($1.8 billion market cap) but in how it makes money.

The value prop here is all about stable cash flows and dividends. In fact, at the current price, and based on what Michael said, you can expect a forward yield of about 6%, of which 2/3rds franked (so a gross yield of ~7.6%). Paid quarterly, too.

You can watch the full recording on our meetings page, but here are some key highlights from our conversation with CEO Michael Riches:

  • DBI’s biggest selling point is the predictability of its cash flow. The company owns Dalrymple Bay Terminal (DBT), which exports metallurgical coal used in steelmaking.
  • It’s a regulated infrastructure business, meaning:
  • 84.2 million tonnes of contracted capacity, locked in until at least 2028.
  • Take-or-pay contracts ensure DBI gets paid regardless of how much coal actually ships.
  • No direct exposure to commodity prices. miners take the risk, DBI just collects fees.
  • No weather risk -- even if a cyclone shuts the terminal, DBI still gets paid.
  • Of course, longer-term, the business is still tied to metallurgical coal demand, and in turn global economic activity, but it is sheltered from much of this in the medium term.
  • Also, its revenue is inflation-linked which might be interesting to those that have concerns on that front.
  • $394 million in capital projects (NECAP, or non expansionary capex) means higher future fees, as there is a set return linked to this expenditure.
  • The 8X expansion project could increase capacity, but it’s still uncertain and dependent on miner demand.
  • DBI has $1.8 billion in debt, which is actually manageable given the asset backing and mandated cash flows, but refinancing at higher interest rates could impact profitability longer term.
  • While DBI exports to China, Japan, and South Korea, Michael stressed that geopolitical tensions and trade disputes have had little impact on terminal operations.
  • Even during China’s 2020-2023 ban on Australian coal, miners simply redirected shipments to other markets, demonstrating the flexibility of global demand. Still, it's something to be mindful of.
  • Michael also pointed out that tariffs and policy changes in export markets have not significantly affected DBI’s customers. Since steelmakers need high-quality metallurgical coal, they have few viable alternatives, meaning demand has remained strong across various markets.
  • DBI operates under a regulated pricing framework until 2031, providing clear earnings visibility for the next several years. But after 2031, pricing will be renegotiated with customers, although Michael believes any future agreements will continue to support strong cash flows.
  • While metallurgical coal is essential for steelmaking, some miners are exploring lower-carbon alternatives. However, Michael was confident that demand for high-quality Australian coal will remain strong for decades, given the lack of commercially viable alternatives at scale.


Lewis
Added 9 months ago

Really interesting company @Strawman and one I never would have looked at without Strawman. It seems almost a legal monopoly, where their customers pay for their expenses, plus a nice moat given it took public money to get the asset built. Not much growth potential outside of CPI but with A P/E on par with Woolies and Coles it seems like a good dividend/risk adverse play. One to keep an eye on if the entire market falls out of bed one day, maybe pick it up cheap next pandemic.

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SudMav
Added 9 months ago

Thanks Strawman. I did the opposite to Lewis and had a cursory glance about 6-12 months ago due to the monopoly pricing, but didn't fully understand how the NECAP was offset by take or pay arrangements. I was actually quite impressed by the proposed engineering solution that the would be implementing as well to ensure that outages were minimised.

Their monopoly will also keep them well placed from a location and demand perspective if there is a significant shift from coal to other lower carbon initiatives, and suppliers will always want proximity to jetty infrastructure for export purposes to reduce their expenses and the losses from evaporation along the journey to the ship. No hydrogen projects in Australia to date have found a way to get the numbers to stack, so there is still a future risk that demand slows.

I agree with @Lewis that this DBI a good opportunity in a market slowdown and will continue to monitor the market and coal prices for this one. However need to do more background reading on metallurgical coal and exports to get more conviction on this one before I dip my toe into the waters.

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