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Added 2 months ago

This was an absolutes small cap fundie favorite back in the day especially among the 'quality growth' managers. It has been shellacked time to take a look? Anyone have any views?

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mikebrisy
Added 2 months ago

I've never followed them very closely. But they've always been on my list of companies to understand better, if I ever get on top of my research backlog for my watchlist. (Yeah, that's not happening any time soon.)

My understanding is that the SP has collapsed partly because the "CAT" revenue and order book has plunged, since it peaked on the back of various catastrophes leading to 2022. Even though "BAU" continues to grow (1H FY25 BAU Revenue +9% to PCP).

However, the kicker is EPS performance: down from $8.47 to $5.17! That's -39%, although you wont see it until slide 21 in the presentation.

And there was the whole Strata governance issue, reported in the press a few weeks back. Again, I'm not on top of that.

In fact, off the back of last results, analysts consensus PT has been slashed from $4.83 to $3.31.

But with the latest weather we are going through here in QLD, and given that recent hurricane / tornado seasons in the US have been high, I'm a bit surprised the SP hasn't responded positively in anticipation of a renewed CAT order book? Perhaps the market was expecting a more positive read out of the US component at the recent report, and was disappointed not to get it.

Now all that said, even with the SP at time of writing ($2.425), $JLG is still on a forward P/E of around 17 - which is hardly cheap for this type of business.

Is is that the market previously got carried away with revenue growth driven by acquisitions, and non-recurring weather-driven peak revenues?

Like I said, I am not close to this one. But while I was trapped indoors in Brisey with non-stop wind and rain over the weekend, I did wonder whether I should do some research on this one.

However, I am suspicious of this one. For as mature a business as $JLG not to include NPAT on their financial highlights slide, is an orange flag. Most of the presentation is fixated on revenue and EBITDA.

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If it falls any further, $JLG might be worth doing some work on. There is a solid BAU business, and it seems reasonable that we might see an uptick in CAT as well, at next report. (Although not nearly as much as we might have, had Alfred maintained cyclonic strength for longer. Even so, Premier Crisafulli has said the repair bill is going to be $ billions, and some of that will doubtless go $JLG's way,)

Disc: Not held

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mikebrisy
Added 2 months ago

And one further thought: on the back of the poor result and weak guidance, perhaps key funds started offloading in anticipation of $JLG falling out of the ASX-200, which it just has?

Volumes since the result have certainly been elevated way above normal levels. (see below)


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BoredSaint
Added 2 months ago

I feel as though JLG is another example of a roll-up style business which acquires at a low PE to tack onto its existing earnings with its valuation at a relatively high PE. But this all starts to unwind on the way down if they struggle to find additional growth or if the business gets too complicated to manage.

Disc: Not held.

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Mujo
Added 2 months ago

Yes being booted from the 200 has passive selling and the systematic funds would be selling.

Interesting about the rollup past - was not aware as do not know it well at all.

The strata issues also explain a bit.

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Solvetheriddle
Added 2 months ago

@Mujo im no expert. I have spoken to mgt a few times (for what that was worth) and it was a small-cap favourite as you say. i don't particularly like labour management companies all the way back to skilled and programmed mgt and a swathe of others. the idea of coordinating a lot of tradies i can't get my head around, unless they are getting some kind of sweetheart corporate deals, which may or may not be the case. I see them as much more vulnerable than SDF in the strata industry.

the CAT business obviously weather dependent but i dont think that is the issue, its the underlying biz. when they went to the US, i was even further alienated from the investment case. i see these type of companies as adding a lot more risk as they grow (more complexity) until they reach a tipping point.

i did approach them with an open mind given some investors i regard highly are/were in it, but im not a taker.

anyway, I could be wrong. but i am cautious on the model

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