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Pinned straw:

Added 2 months ago

https://www.afr.com/companies/healthcare-and-fitness/david-williams-unapologetic-of-aggressive-style-in-a-woke-world-20250310-p5licf

I don't have access to the article.

I used ChatGPT to "rewrite the article"....here is what it says (this is my new trick BTW)

"David Williams, a prominent figure in the healthcare and fitness industry, is renowned for his assertive and uncompromising approach. In a recent interview, he acknowledged his reputation for being "very aggressive and taking no prisoners," admitting that this demeanor can be challenging for some individuals.

Williams remains unapologetic about his style, even as societal norms evolve towards increased sensitivity. He believes that his direct approach is essential for achieving results in a competitive environment. While acknowledging that his methods may not align with everyone's preferences, Williams emphasizes the importance of effectiveness and accountability in his leadership.

In today's "woke" world, where heightened awareness of social issues influences corporate culture, Williams' stance highlights a tension between traditional assertiveness and contemporary expectations for empathy and inclusivity. His perspective invites ongoing discussions about balancing decisive leadership with evolving societal values."


So what will we should expect to see in the short term:

  • Some board members resigning, and some new ones appointed
  • New CEO
  • New CFO (still no word on what Jan is doing. He was included in the bullyin accusation against DW.)
  • Update on direction in India (this was Swami's baby.....so maybe it will get the chop?)
  • Barda - maybe some type of update on the application progress (i forget where they are up to)
  • I think PNV will be keen to get some new news stories out there.


I think the SP might take a while to get above $2.00 again. They need to get the above all in order for investors to have confidence in the future direction.

I still think, with the current business they have (circa $120-150m a year in revenue).....they should be worth $1-1.5 billion MC....yet they are at about $800m.


@Strawman could we try to arrange another interview with DW? He may not want to do in right away....but it would be good to get him on.


As a side note - the other biotech that DW is Chairman is IIQ. And it has also dropped substaintially. On zero news.

Parko5
Added 2 months ago

I would also add....Swami and PNV did not reach any agreement in the negoitations.

So maybe also expect some sort of media interview from him in the coming weeks.

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mikebrisy
Added 2 months ago

@Parko5 I'd be surprised if he did. It would seem out of character,... but then again I don't know the guy from Adam.

He'll have taken advice from legal counsel to see if he has any other recourse (which it would be normal to have done anyway, during the exit discussions.) In my experience, companies will pay up if they can reach a severance agreement, which usually includes a mutual, non-disparagement clause. For whatever reason, the Board weren't willing to pay his price. (And I can tell you I have seen some eye-watering settlements over the years that made me nauseous!)

But in this case, it looks like he exited with nothing other than contractual entitlements (if I read the release correctly) with no severance agreement as you say.

He might be mulling over if he has grounds for a wrongful termination action. In that case he would be well advised to keep quiet. But if he decides just to head back to retirement in Florida (or was it Georgia, I can't remember which) then maybe he will say something.

Frankly, I think he'll maintain a dignified silence and just be happy to see the back of DW. This was a clash of cultures, leadership styles, and lack of role clarity from the outset,.. is my guess.

So how go the shorts? Still nudging up, as of last Thursday. Price action has seemed to stabilitise, so I'm guessing the shorts have flattened off or even closed some positions?

SP is looking attractive for a Takeover if the SP languishes at this level. Acquirer gets the revenue, wipes out 90% of the corporate overhead, integrates sales and marketing with existing sales forces (further synergy of maybe 20-40% depending on the acquirers product portfolio).

The economics are compelling. 90-95% gross margins; manufacturing expansion locked in to $500m - so $0 capital expenditure for a few years. Wow.

Let's say acquirer pays a 50% premium ... then it might make sense around $1.80. I think DW would take it, as he must have a better view of the competitive reality than he is letting on? (A takeover offer would create a lovely shorts barbecue!!!)

I'm sure the Investment Bankers are working the phones and the pitch decks are flying all over the world!


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Parko5
Added 2 months ago

Maybe this is all part of the J&J / Swami plan to buy it on the cheap! Joking of course….

im tempted to roll the dice and buy back in soon.

  • PNV is valued above current SP ($1.50-2.00) based on current circa $130m p.a. In revenue. (Numbers just a guesstimate).
  • Takeover is more likely now than ever.
  • what other bad news could there be?


BUT

I got this from HC. Interesting to see the flows during the last week during Swamigate.


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the post on HC also had the trading for the last year. Broadly they said that retail had been selling to professional funds. Then it changed after H1FY25 Report came out. The professionals/funds then must of kept their forecasts high (because they haven’t really lowered them much) and are quietly selling out. Bastards!!

If the institutions are leaving….it will become more volatile again.

it was interesting though that Fidelity took a large PNV position not long ago (before Swamigate but after H1FY2025) So that would be against the trend


so confused!!



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