Forum Topics Green shoots or Dead Cat Bounce?
jcmleng
Added a month ago

A slide from a Global X Investor preso today on the Current US dramas which caught my eye. It provides a historical perspective that based on past events, the S&P 500 trough for this current selloff appears to still have considerable room to run in terms of remaining % drop and duration of the selloff .. this aligns with the current political uncertainty/volatility, the many possible outcomes that could eventuate and an unknown timeline ..

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jcmleng
Added a month ago

DCB I think ... I just can't see any circuit breakers in the horizon.

Trump shot one over the bow to Xi, Xi flips Trump the bird, Trump is pissed and wants to slam on more tariffs, going to zero tariffs alone is not enough as Vietnam found out, Trumps muppets continue to put on a brave front with dumb blind faith, Congress is a dead not lame, duck, the population won't feel the impact on the tariffs for another 2-3M and so, remain either worried, in denial or continue to be as dumb as they were blindly listening and voting for Trump.

The circuit breakers I think could happen and I hope to see - Lutnick or Bessent (more Bessent) quits in disgust, the market crashes further and Trump blinks, ground swell of discontent giving rise to sustained and big popular uprisings (the demonstrations over the weekend were all rather wimpy). Can't see any of these happening anytime soon, unfortunately.

With this backdrop in mind, did a review of my portfolio, including reassessing conviction and US exposure, and learnt/internalised some hard investing lessons and took a few actions today.

I trimmed a small % of my top 3 holdings to lock in profits, reduced exposure of one holding which I now have lower conviction on, to double my cash holdings - apart the duh! learning of needing to have more cash on hand to take advantage of market crashes, it also hit home today that paper profit is not worth the paper it is on, if it is not realised. So, by trimming the 4 holdings, I simultaneously reduced exposure to the US, realised profits, trimmed excessive allocations, and raised cash.

On hindsight, as Trump increased his rhetoric over the months, I should have progressively raised more cash 1-2 months ago - I raised some by trimming these positions earlier, but it was not enough as I wanted to let the profits run ... letting profits run without trimming when allocations become too big is really not a good strategy, particularly when prices fall sharply such that everything becomes super cheap/er and those profits vanish.

While today, I did not get as good a price at the absolute peak from 1-2 months ago (1) the peak is only obvious now and (2) the price I got today would likely have been the price that I should have locked in from trimming the positions when the price was going UP - this thought process has really helped take away the emotion from "losing out on profits from the peak" and continued anchoring to those peak prices.

With more cash now, am feeling significantly more comfortable in navigating through the volatility ahead and progressively nibbling as prices drop further ...

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Metis
Added a month ago

Every time I think about trimming to lock in profits @jcmleng (in the context of macro policy) I get stopped in my tracks by the thought of paying tax. Whether it be a supposed bear market +/- depression or company overvalued. I really struggle to sell or trim if I have a long time horizon on the company. I had a nice -12% at one stage for my full AUS portfolio on monday. Wasn’t particularly fun but what it made me realise is I find myself biased to selling companies with a loss whose thesis I am a bit more on the fence about and putting them into a company on that same day that I have more conviction on. So this decreases tax in the future for companies that have gained, or are gaining. But this comes with the risk of further concentrating my portfolio (hopefully in solid companies). This seems to be how I get my capital in a time like this, if for some reason I don’t have any dry powder. I haven’t sat down and done the maths on it properly, but most of my winners I have held for greater than 12 months which means I have a 22.5% tax if sold, so based around Mikebrisy’s recent post about average bear markets I’m only 7.5% off an average one if I sell anyway in real terms. (taking a few liberties with the maths of this and opportunity cost of compounded redeployed money). Obviously, trusts/companies can change things up for people depending on their circumstances but this is my situation at the moment.

Even if this is a dead cat bounce, I’m mostly happy with my companies apart from one. Which is impedimed. High time I wrote about it actually. (I’m afraid I have to do a bit of updating on my strawman portfolio to mirror life).

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tomsmithidg
Added a month ago

Pre-open prices are looking like a 1.5% rise from yesterday's close. So the big question is: Is it the market coming to its senses or a dead cat bounce that will see profit taking later today or early tomorrow sending it on another run down?

What are people's thoughts?

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Solvetheriddle
Added a month ago

@tomsmithidg Ive been investing for 40 years, hundreds maybe thousands of trades, ive picked the top/bottom maybe 10 times. if you see a fat pitch swing, timing the bottom is pure luck, imo. then be patient. the way its always been

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mikebrisy
Added a month ago

I'm not making any predictions.

But if China refuses to withdraw their reciprocal-reciprocal tariff, and Trump goes ahead and implements an extra 50pc on China, then whatever moves we see today, all bets are off for tomorrow. I don't think for one minute that Xi will back down. That would be a huge loss of face, and it would be a win for Trump that Xi would never allow. (Both Putin and Xi will greatly "enjoy" playing Trump.)

There is no question in my mind that the CCP has been wargaming a trade war with the US, ever since there was the prospect of Trump returning. So I believe every Chinese response will be deliberate and calculated (and rehearsed). US destabilisation of world trade, while very disruptive to China's 15% of exports that go to the US, can be managed. Exports from China to the US account for less than 3% of Chinese GDP, and imports from the US are only 1% of Chinese GDP. So Xi has no need to "blink" in a tariffs duel with Trump. The more crazy Trump acts, the more it makes China appear sane and reliable to the rest of the world.

This is massively important for China for its standing and future deals with the global south, and even to re-warming relationships with the West.

The wider process of bilateral discussions will take time. And Trump has hardened in his rhetoric. I don't think he will cut quick deals unless they demonstrate capitulation. For example, a mutual zero tariff deal being mooted by the EU won't be enough. He has reiterated over night that he has only one shot at this, and that he is the only president who can do this. He has dug himself such a big hole that even if he decides to climb out of it, that will take some time.

US voices against tariffs are starting and growing (e.g., Dimon, even Musk, Wall St generally). But I think that as long as Navarro and Lutnick are in place, Trump will have enough of an echo chamber around him that he won't turn.

What might move him? Bipartisanship in the Senate and House to act against tariffs? Strong negative economic indicators? Strong disapproval rating, A combination of all. That's likely to take weeks and even a few months to become clear.

After two terrible days on Thursday and Friday on Wall Street, yesterday was taking a breather. You can see how jittery the markets are in the "false bounce" that occurred when there were rumours of a 90-day reprieve on tariffs. It lasted about 40 minutes!

So, I'm expecting volatility up and down over the coming weeks and months, until the agenda stablises.

If high tariffs are locked in, then recession ... here we come. But whatever the outcome, confidence has been dented, and that is bad for the economy and for investing. I don't think there are winners here. Only losers. (Or smart money in the bond market!)

Not that I ever give advice, but if I did, the first I would give, is make sure you don't lose liquidity. For me, practically, that means having access to cash resources to fund 2-3 years of living, and beyond that non-equities assets that could keep me good for 4-5 years. I don't want to be a distressed seller.

The second advice would be to be very wary of "false dawns". So far, the S&P500 is only down 21% from its peak in February - less than two months ago. During the GFC the S&P500 declined around 57% over 17 months. I'm not saying what we are seeing now is a GFC-type event. But if a global tariff war erupts, takes effect, and the US establishment remains cohesive with Trump unmoved, then I'm certainly not ruling out something like that.

From a risk management perspective, I want to understand that my wider financial position is robust, even in that (arguably) low likelihood event.

Where I am spending my time is studying hard the moves in my portfolio and on my short watchlist. Relative changes in valuations might offer the best opportunities in the short term. (Heck, maybe even $PME will hit my buy price of $150! Now there's a sliver lining.)

Interesting times.

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topowl
Added a month ago

Quite possibly the endgame Putin had in mind when placing Trump in the presidency.

He really is playing 4d chess.

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Strawman
Added a month ago

One of the unintuitive things with bear markets is that they are usually when you see the biggest one day gains.

I should update the exercise, but back in 2010 or so I looked at the biggest one day gains over the previous 10 years, and most of them happened during the GFC as markets were tanking.

Nothing moves in a straight line!

@mikebrisy is right re false dawns. Unfortunately, the bottom is only ever apparent in hindsight.

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mikebrisy
Added a month ago

Here's the latest from Air Force One.

Trump Interview

This dude is locked in.

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