Forum Topics AVH AVH 1QFY25 Results

Pinned straw:

Added 7 months ago

Disc: Held IRL and in SM

SUMMARY

The Not So Good

Revenue looked to have impressively improved 67% vs pcp, but is actually the 2nd consecutive quarter of flat revenue.

If there is no improvement to the 1Q run rate of $18.5m, revenue will end up around $74-75m for FY25, well short of the revenue guidance of $100-106m - this is probably what spooked the market.

Operating Expenses remain high vs pcp and QoQ vs Q4 guidance which said expenses should stabilise around $26m - management attributed this to “typical higher 1Q expenses”, which does make sense, the question is whether expenses will remain elevated in the coming quarters as this will threaten the 4QFY25 GAAP profitability guidance.

Net Loss widened against both pcp and QoQ.

Management has made the call to stop focusing on the Vitiligo indication - too many uncertainties around insurance reimbursement as Recell is only currently reimbursible in a hospital vs Vitiligo which is treated at a Doctor’s clinic - revenue from this indication has not been baked into revenue forecasts, this feels like the right call given the huge opportunity on the burn wound products

Per Dow Newswires, the 1Q results fell short of expectations:

  • Net loss ($0.45 per share) vs actual ($0.53 per share)
  • Revenue $20.1m vs actual $18.5m, about ~8% below expectations


The Good

Products have not fully launched in 1Q - RecellGo Mini only launched on 1 Feb (announced as "during 1QFY25" in late Dec) and CoHealyx launched on 3 Apr (announced on 3 Apr) - against this backdrop, the market looks like it might have got ahead of itself.

Significant operational changes occurred in 1Q in what management terms a “Launch Readiness Phase” - (1) RecellGo Mini full launch (2) CoHealyx full launch post quarter-end (3) a comprehensive re-organisation of the Sales organisation to align to the product portfolio and expand sales coverage (explained at length during call) - made good management sense (4) PermeaDerm manufacturing integration into Ventura facility. These actions make good sense and are necessary, as management continues to operationally morph AVH from a single RecellGo product to a multi product portfolio.

Higher cash burn is being addressed by a $2.5m/quarter expense savings that have been found through the sales re-organisation - need to see this materialise next quarter.

Overall

It was not a great result vis-a-vis increased expectations arising from the increased FY25 revenue guidance, but once the operational context is baked in, seemed a fair outcome. RecellGo Mini only launched in Feb 2025 and CoHealyx only launched on 3 Apr, post the 1Q results, so revenue from these have not yet flowed in. 

I now see the $18.5m quarterly revenue as the “minimum” revenue base, based purely on RecellGo. Annualised, this is ~$74m of the $100m FY25 revenue. For AVH to meet the $100m revenue target, at least $26m needs to come from a combination of RecellGo + CoHealyx + PermeaDerm in the next 3 quarters - this translates to the following run rates:

  • Roughly ~$9m per quarter contribution from these 3 products
  • Assuming the minimum revenue per case for PermeaDerm $2,000 and Co-Healyx $20,000, the $9m additional quarterly revenue can be met by ~409 cases per quarter, or ~136 cases per month
  • The annual FSTD caseload is ~270,000 cases
  • This does not seem too onerous to achieve for the rest of FY2025


AVH’s operational readiness for that growth appears to also be in a significantly better place - the actions in 1Q were necessary and reflect an organisation that appears to learn and decisively action, the transition from a single product to multi product environment. 

There is nothing to suggest that the anticipated revenue growth will not kick in, in the coming quarters. The 20+% price drop feels overdone against a (8%) shortfall of revenue expectations and the remaining 9M runway ahead, with full launches having occurred. 

Thesis remains intact. Patience continues to be required as it is easy to forget that AVH is still morphing from a single product to a multi-product portfolio company - a massive change in strategic direction that needs time to work through/play out.

TREND CHARTS

  • While 1Q25 revenue has been flat QoQ, it is clearly trending upwards, as is Gross Profit and Gross Profit Margin %
  • Cost of Sales has also increased, as would be expected, but at a significantly slower rate of increase vs revenue.


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  • Total Operating Expenses continues to increase, driven primarily by increases in Sales & Marketing expense, but both have been trending downwards since 3Q24
  • G&A and R&D have remained flat trend-wise, with G&A trending downwards


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mikebrisy
Added 7 months ago

@jcmleng This is a good overview of the 1Q result.

I wanted to digest the results properly, consider the market reaction, and then do some further due diligence before making a reply.

As some here will know, I follow this sector closely and have previously been a holder of $AVH (before all the go to market time frames,marketing costs, and overheads blew out), and I think in previous straws I have documented the reasons for the broken thesis, so I wont repeat here.

HOWEVER

Overall, I agree with your assessment @jcmleng . The market response to the softer revenue growth was an over-reaction.

What has surprised me is that none of the commentary I have come across has identifed that 1Q revenue is seasonally lower in US medical devices and pharma. I've appended some research from my BA (ChatGPT) at the end of this post. You can also see it in the $AVH results last year. So to have held revenue flat Q4-to-Q1 is actually not bad.

Importantly, however, as you point out, $AVH is now going into the next 3 quarters of the year with the full product suite (ReCell Go, Recell Go Mini, PereaDerm and Cohealyx). But is also entering this period with now an experienced and restructured sales force (high-graded in the recent re-sizing) focused on sales, and they have all the US burn centres covered. So they are selling into existing accounts.

And add to this, any PermeaDerm +/or ReCell procedure that also uses Cohealyx gets a BIG revenue kicker, because Cohealyx drives between $20,000/$28.000 to $40,000/$57,000 per multi-product treatment of the revenue. (Although, I'm thinking that's probably total revenue, and $AVH has to share with its licenced partner.) Despite that, it doesn't take many surgeons to give Cohealyx a go, and you start turbocharging revenue per account, even if there is zero incremental sales of ReCell (which there probably won't be, as the clincal evidence and used cases are growing strongly).

The advantage of the integrated offering, is that the sales reps. can give integrated advice, about how the products should best be used together. (This is clear in the video I reference below)

Now, I have been bearish about competitive intensity in this segment, but I am not so bearish to believe that ReCell sales will now flatline. I still believe the segment is tough, with growing product-on-product competition. But as you write, $AVH now have the advantage of a more complete product suite, as well as their own dedicated US company sales force. That gives them an advantage over $ARX and $PNV. Again, the video below, contains excerpts which shows the advantges of using Cohealyx in preference to cadaver skins, the current standard of care, and there are clinical trials under way which are expected to report this year to do head-to-head comparisons with the standard of care.

Forecast Scenarios

So, if in the remaining 3 quarters $AVH hits 40% growth to pcp in each Q (note it hit 68% in 1Q!) , it will get $18.5+$21.3+$27.3+$25.8 = $92.9m

And if it hits 55% growth to pcp in each Q it will get: $18.5 + $23.5 + $30.3 + 28.5 = $100.9m

Clearly, they've been aggressive in setting out their stall for 61% revenue growth of $100-$106. This MUST be based on confidence of stronger early traction for Cohealyx. And while the analysts seems to believe management, the market doesn't. And who can blame it. In the past aggressive targets, timelines, and guidance have been missed. So why would 2025 be different?

So I think the SP reaction is betting that they are going to come in low on revenue, and run out of cash. (NASDAQ short interest is 11.25% SOI ... evne worse than $PNV,.. just!)

We'll see. The August report will be THE critical proof point for me. Should they hold to guidance, SP will pop, for sure.

Costs

This is now high stakes for Jim. But I believe the cost base is under control. G&A has been well-managed over the last 5 quarters.

They have resized sales and marketing with the coverage they need for 2025, taking out $1,3m per quarter from sales and marketing costs.

I'm less clear about the R&D side, but as this will be very much driven by planned activities, there shouldn't be any surprises and so they should have a robust forecast.

in the 1Q result call, Jim indicated they have taken out $2.5m per quarter in opex, reducing the annual burn by $10m.

Overall Cash Position

Surely, it is going to be a close thing despite Jim Corbett sticking to a commitment of cash positive in 2H and GAAP NPAT positive in Q4. The 1Q result, however, firmed up the bear thesis that they'd need to raise capital, and that's what the shorts are betting on.

If they hit guidance, they'll avoid the need to raise capital, but if they fall short then some more capital will be required.

They ended Q1 with c. $25m (cash and equivalents), having burned around $10.5m in the quarter. So they really do requirethe revenue uplift and corresponding receipts to keep them liquid. Again, I think they'll make a call on this at or shortly after 2Q.

Understanding how $AVH is Transforming

I thoroughly recommend anyone interested to watch the latest company presentation, accessible via the investor relations page on their site.

https://ir.avitamedical.com/events/event-details/avita-medical-acute-wound-care-showcase-2025

It helps explain how the different products work together, (BEWARE: the usual graphic images which investors in this sector are well used to. I made sure I didn't watch t over lunch.)

When grilled on the running out of cash in the Q&A, Jim has left the door open to requiring some additional cash for working capital. But his indication is that this wouldn't be a large amount. From my perspective a $10-$20m rasie to avoid increased debt is probably all they need to get their head above water in the downside case.

LT Debt at c. $42m has some restrictive covenants, so it is vital that they hit revenue targets to avoid payments against those covenants.

MY CONCLUSION

$AVH's SP is well and truly beaten up, and I think we could be seeing a low point, just as the company has put everything together for a focused execution in the US market. The cost base is now stable and maufacturing investments are in place.

The products are in place, literally, the inventory is there. The sales force is in place, and has been high-graded. The account coverage is in place. Now all that is needed is for the clinicians to continue to grow their adoption, with a small percentage willing to give Cohealyx a go.

Valuation

1. Analysts

I'm honestly not sure what the analysts are smoking, but looking at the NASDAQ, $AVH closed yesterday at US$6.69.

The 5 covering analysts (marketscreener.com) have an average PT of US$18.95 (US$12.40 - US$18,95)

[According to ChatGPT the average of 4 is US$17.25 (US$12.00 - US$22.00) and looking at the ASX listing, where price at time of writing is $2.11 and the 8 covering analysts have a PT of A$4.65 (A$1.92 - A$7.98)] Note: there are 5 ASX CDIs for each NASDAQ share, and FX is about 0.64 at the moment.

2. My View

Having reviewed the consensus forecast, I think that $AVH will underperform against them - being consistent with my view that this segment has become a lot more competitive over the last 2-3 years. I also think $AVH will have to raise some capital.

So, I am going to assume revenue growth this year misses guidance, coming in at +55%, and then falling to 35%, 25% and 20% in subsequent years. (That puts me at revenue of US$168m in 2027, versus US$169 for the consensus.) I'm however, less bullish on costs, so that my NPAT in 2027 is only US$2m, whereas consensus has US38m!

What this basically means is that my forecast of NPAT growth is about 1-2 years behind the consensus by the time we get to 2027. My 2028 NPAT of US$14m, less than the consensus of US$38min in 2027.

My simple forecast is for an EPS in 2028 of $US0.61, with SOI having increased from 26.25M to 30,5M, allowing for some $20m of capital raising in addition to share based compensation.

At that point EPS will be growing strongly, and at P/E ratios of 30, 35 and 40 the share price ranges discounted back, converting 5 ASX CDI for each US share, and an FX of $0.64 gets me to a valuation range of A$3.48 ($A2.98 - $3.98)


Investment Decision

$AVH now has the risk-reward provide around it that I like. Yes, the shorts are high and the analysts are stuck in some over-optimistic group-think that I don't think the track record of the company deserves.

HOWEVER, and this is where I agree with @jcmleng, all the elements are in place, and this business is definitely going to achieve revneues somewhere north of US$90m this year, growing at anywhere from 40%-60%, with costs now finally well under control.

I have today initiated a small RL position of 2.5%. For me, Q2 is a make-or-break moment. I expect to either 2x or 3x my position if the thesis is holding up, or run for the hills.

I'll have to have a think about what to sell in SM to have a positioned there too.

Disc: Held



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Appendix: As promised here's some analysis on why I think the soft 1Q revenue number has been met with an over-reaction by the market.

Question: Is there any overall seasonal patterm or trend in Q1 US revenues of medical device companies compared with other quarters? And if so, what drives this?

The following is the unedited response from ChatGPT

Yes, there is a well-documented seasonal pattern in U.S. revenues for many medical device companies, with Q1 often being the weakest quarter of the year. This trend is especially pronounced in companies that rely heavily on procedural volumes, hospital purchasing patterns, or insurance dynamics.

Here's a breakdown:

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???? Key Drivers of Q1 Weakness


???? 1. Patient Deductible Resets (Insurance Factor)

  • U.S. patients typically face annual insurance deductibles that reset on January 1.
  • Patients often delay elective or non-urgent procedures early in the year to avoid out-of-pocket costs.
  • This delays demand for devices used in surgeries, wound care, orthopedics, etc.


????️ 2. Hospital Budget Cycles

  • Hospitals and surgical centers:
  • Often start the year conservatively before capital or procurement budgets ramp up
  • May defer purchasing of new devices, systems, or high-cost implants until later quarters


❄️ 3. Winter Weather Disruptions

  • In northern U.S. states, weather-related cancellations (e.g. snowstorms) can depress elective procedure volumes.


???? 4. Physician and Patient Behavior

  • Many physicians and patients take extended holidays in December–January, reducing case volumes into early Q1.


???? 5. Inventory Management

  • Distributors and hospitals often build inventory in Q4, reducing reorders in Q1.


???? Implications for Medical Device Firms

  • Q1 often lags on both revenues and margins due to underutilized capacity.
  • Many companies explicitly guide for a ramp through the year, with H2 being the focus for growth acceleration.
  • Companies with recurring revenue models (e.g., consumables, diagnostics, monitoring) may be less affected than those reliant on capital sales or elective procedures.


???? Examples

  • Companies like Medtronic, Stryker, Zimmer Biomet, and Boston Scientific often report this Q1 softness and provide commentary in earnings calls.
  • AVITA Medical’s weak Q1 relative to guidance fits this broader pattern, especially since their products are used in acute wound care and trauma settings that are subject to procedure timing.


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Longpar5
Added 7 months ago

Excellent posting @mikebrisy and @jcmleng . I agree the ingredients are brewing nicely, there's certainly enough 'bravery' required here to suggest the upside is strong if/when sentiment eventually turns.

Just doing some share count due diligence, does anyone know the nature of the 42m of options at 'various prices' listed in the 3G. Given the total stock is only 26m this has the potential to be a significant item - I feel like I at least need to know what they are. Looking back over the years I can see the number was at over 100m back in 2021 and has been declining since, given there's not been significant dilution in that time and the trajectory of the shareprice I expect these are expiring worthless - maybe old employee options? Or something related to a past transaction? But I'd like to know - any ideas? Line AVHAE in the 3G.

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mikebrisy
Added 7 months ago

@Longpar5 I think (but don't know for sure) this is the aggregate of Options for all employee schemes out to 2035, so 10 years worth. The other line items for options are, I think, for the named key management, as detailed in the remuneration report.

While 42m AVHAE's sounds scary from a potential dilution perspective, it is worth recognising that only two years ago this number was 88m, as large chuncks of them have lapsed being below their strike value on expiry.

And there is a wide range of exercise prices from around USD4.97 right up to USD21.93 (assuming they reflect the range of pricing of the individually disclosed schemes.)

Since 2023 SOI has only gone from 25.7m to 26.4m, but then again SP has been pretty poor over recent years, so presumably large numbers of legacy options have been lapsing out of the money.

The problem is that in this line item we cannot see the profile of dates the options become exercisable, nor the exercise prices. So I can't see any way to evaluate them.

Share count and dilution is defintely something to consider here, and it could become material if the share price advances significantly from its current USD6.40.

With annual opex at USD112m, it is clear that employees are getting a lot of options, but so far at least a lot of these seem to have lapsed because of repeated delays in getting to profitability.

A coarse way to size the exposure is to say: 42m x USD6.40 = USD270m. But they are not free options, so of course it is only some fraction of that, let's say anywhere from 10% to 50%, which would be USD27m - $USD135m. This range looks generous given historical performance.

We might then compare that to the wages bill exposure over 10 years, say for example, 70% of Opex for 10 years = USD800m.

So the share option exposure has an order of magnitude of 4% to 17% of Opex, because that's really what it is - a hidden part of Opex.

Of course, the proper way to evaluate the options is to use Black-Scholes, but we don't have the necessary information. Which I guess is the point of your post!

TLDR: I can't evaluate this, I'll monitor dilution as SP (hopefully) rises, it is a factor, but I am not worried about it.

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Longpar5
Added 7 months ago

Thanks @mikebrisy , not too long, did read :)

Agree, dilution will be one to watch if the share price rallies. And good work putting the options in perspective. I don't have much experience with "life science" type businesses and am always wary of them being run for the execs/doctors not the patients or shareholders. So my worst case is those options being very low strike price, but I tend to think the chance of that is remote. Will be nice to see the number continue to decline, if I end up deciding to invest I should probably just drop a line to their IR team to be sure

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jcmleng
Added 6 months ago

Great comments @mikebrisy . Have taken a bit of time to step back and re-evaluate the position with AVH and deciding what action to take. The straight line and persistent price drop of AVH has no doubt, been uncomfortable. Despite feeling really confident that I have fully considered the full 360 of the thesis, and it looks as promising as the future can ever be, this absolutely creates ongoing doubt as to whether I have totally missed something that the rest of the market is seeing. 

Having had a closer look at the points you raised, below, I topped up today at $1.85. This was at a 17M support level that I have been watching. Have also been building the position very slowly, so post top up, I am still at 3.3% allocation, with some room to increase the allocation as the price could still drop to the ~$1.425 levels from Oct 2022 - see chart below

I think Mr Market is offering up AVH at highly attractive levels relative to the risk/reward position. AVH has grown significantly in the last 18M, is expected to grow 61% this FY to $100m revenue, but yet the market has smashed it to a near 17M LOW, when AVH was in real trouble then. This really does not make sense and is hence, the opportunity!

Discl: Held IRL and in SM

1Q LOWER REVENUE SEASONAL IMPACT

This was a very interesting observation but I note the following with AVH:

Insurance Factor, Winter Weather Disruptions and Physician/Patient Behaviour - I did not think these came into play much given that AVH primarily focuses on burns and trauma cases, and very little elective/non-urgent procedures. Accidents happen/can happen at any time and when they do, they need to be fixed here and now. I also thought that burns cases in Jan from winter/heating-related issues would be about the same as burn cases over summer from wildfires etc, meaning, no seasonality

Hospital Budget Cycles and Inventory Management - this does seem to impact AVH, but in reverse, at least in FY24 ie. hospitals held back purchases until the New Year

But agree that if seasonality is at play, then the 1QFY25 results are better than it first appears!

CASH SHORTFALL AND POTENTIAL FOR A CAPITAL RAISE

Thought a bit more about the cash position.

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It looks like AVH redeemed ~$10.7m of marketable securities in 1QFY25 to fund the cash gap in 1QFY25. 

2QFY25 - I expect AVH to redeem the $10.9m securities on hand, and assuming the 1Q Cash used in operations remain around $10m, the end quarter cash balance should be around $14.9m (same as 1QFY25) but there will be $0m marketable securities left

3QFY25 - assuming no improvement in cash and assuming Cash Used in operations remains around $10m, the Cash & Cash Equivalent of ~$14.9m at 30 June 25 would be completely drained

Which then leaves a potential cash funding gap of ~($10.0m), more likely closer to $10m rather than the $20m end:

  • This assumes minimal sales from PermeaDerm and CoHealyx, similar to 1Q, pre-launch sales
  • The upside of the $2.5m savings/quarter has not been baked into the above
  • I can’t think of any capex spend required for the rest of FY25 - there are no known manufacturing capex costs as all the changes to manufacturing, including insourcing PermeaDerm have already been executed.
  • After the recent sales re-org and cost takeout, I can’t see any further step increases in operating costs other than basic working capital requirements
  • There should be no big R&D spend either as they ditched Vitiligo, and the focus will be on the post-market studies


So, fully agree with your view that any cash shortfall could be $10-$20m and also Jim’s comment in the Webinar that any cash shortfall would be “minimal”. A short term debt facility would make far more sense vs a capital raise/placement in terms of cost, not upsetting the market, ease of execution etc. Based on this, the risk of a cash shortfall is absolutely there, but I think the market’s pessimism/fear of a capital raise etc is quite overdone.

Debt Covenant

Also had a look at the debt covenant position. The 2QFY25 trailing 12-month revenue covenant is $78.0m. 9M trailing revenue is $56.5m, which means 2QFY25 revenue needs to come in at $21.5m, which aligns to your 40% pcp increase. It does feel do-able with a full quarters contribution of CoHealyx and PermeaDerm, albeit it likely to be a slow start, + normal Recell growth.

Chart

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mikebrisy
Added 6 months ago

@jcmleng great notes. A couple of quick points.

Given that firms raise capital well before they run out of money, I think you have to allow for about $10m buffer, which is why I concluded they will raise,.... likely late this Q or early next Q, unless sales come storming back. I think this is in line with your analysis.

$AVH will also require Orbimed's agreement to raise further debt, which I imagine will come at a cost. So, I think cost of debt is high, and getting higher.

On a soft revenue 1Q vs. 4Q, I recognise their product usage is not elective. What is elective is hospital inventory management policy. I recognise your point about hospital budgets, but I think the industry data shows that Q1 tends to be soft in medical devices. Factors at play are that hospitals can also follow a Q4 buying push for two reasons: 1) use up unspent budget to avoid "use it or lose it" budget cuts and 2) making sure stocks are in place ahead of potential winter supply chain problems. While the winter phenomenon doesn't affect everyone, it probably impacts about 25% of the market in a significant way (MidWest, NorthEast and SouthEast states).

Another factor which $AVH used to blame poor 1Q 2024 sales, what that hospital VACs (Value Analysis Committees) were slow in appoving new products like ReCell GO and Permeaderm over the winter months last year. And sure enough, things came roaring back in Q2, This time, with Cohealyx being rolled out in 2Q, the winter "excuse" isn't available to management.

I'm pretty sure that the continuing price slump is because in each week that passes, " the market" is counting down the days to the next capital raising. I'm fine with that because I am confident it will be a modest raise, albeit an expensive one.

The shorts are smelling blood, too. The short position on NASDAQ has moved from 11.34% at 30th April to stand now at 14.02%.

Either there will be a raising within 4 weeks or a trading update to say there are promisiing sales of Cohealyx and Permeaderm.

If I had a stronger belief in management, I'd be loading up over the coming weeks. But there are too many historical optimistic statements that have had a delayed result. So, I am going to wait for the next sales update. On the plus side, even if there is a strong sales update, SP is so low, I'd still be able to top up at good value once some more data is in. However, this is risky and I am not prepared to increase my exposure at this time.

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Karmast
Added 6 months ago

Wonderful idea and product and it's great that patients have an option like this.

As an investment though, this company has to be one of the worst over promisers and under deliverers of the last decade.

Despite sales growing from $2.8 million 10 years ago, to $97.4 million last year, the losses keep growing and in turn so does the never ending dilution.

It's true some businesses invest in growth and to capture market share for a while, before that growth turns them into profitable entities. It's also true that some businesses believe their own story (noble lie) but can't overcome selling or marketing the product below what it actually costs to provide that product. So, even though their sales grow they lose even more money every year. The only way they survive and for the management to keep getting nice perks is to ask some other poor sucker for more cash...

Maybe the handful of brokers that are predicting positive earnings in a couple of years are right and it will all work out. Or maybe they need to say that so they can keep getting more capital raisings away for them.

The other worry though is that it appears their patents run out over the next 8 years, so even if it does work out now, the competition is probably coming if they stick with the high margins.

Below is the tale of woe for the last 10 years across a bunch of important financial metrics. It isn't getting any better in recent years. If you believe the story and that they are finally going to make it all work, then I genuinely wish you the best of luck.


p.s. I humbly acknowledge that I have fallen victim to the exciting story of a revolutionary treatment for a big medical problem, courtesy of Paradigm Biopharma (PAR). It's been my biggest investment loss and mistake, as I have funded management while they under deliver. I stubbornly hold on in the hope the David Gardener approach might pay off but accept it may still go to zero. But I'm determined not to take that risk again, accepting I will miss out on the occasional huge winner.



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