Forum Topics DUR DUR REVISED GUIDANCE FOR FY25

Pinned straw:

Added 7 months ago

Revenue guidance has been revised downward to a range of $570m - $585m from $600m - $640m. EBITDA guidance has been adjusted to a range of $50m - $53m from $52m to $56m previously.

The guidance is based upon the earnings from year-to-date work delivered plus the Company’s forward forecast assumptions of the earnings from current works expected to be delivered by the end of the financial year. In FY24, the Company reported revenue of $555.8m and EBITDA of $47.6m. 


DURATEC LIMITED (ASX:DUR) - Ann: REVISED GUIDANCE FOR FY25 AND BUSINESS UPDATE, page-1 - HotCopper | ASX Share Prices, Stock Market & Share Trading Forum

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Lewis
Added 6 months ago

I managed to dial into the call and it was nice to hear them reaffirm that the business fundamentals haven't changed. It seems to be a timing issue, caretaker government period and a slow down in all contracts being awarded (Defence), and weather/ longer bidding processes on the mining side due to individual contracts being larger and needing more work in the bidding phase. Excuses are easy but I've taken them at face value for this one. They said they're not interested in lowering margins to make up for lost revenue, margin and the bottom line is what they're focused on.

More generally Defence base and facility upgrages/spending are on the up, especially in WA and NT and especially on the Navy side, which falls into Duratecs wheelhouse nicely. Mining isn't going anywhere also. If they can be in these locations doing quality work and maintain their margins, the work will come in my opinion.

Held in RL and on SM.

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Karmast
Added 6 months ago

@raymon68 and @Lewis I also listened to the call yesterday.  It was the usual cadre of analysts/brokers looking for new numbers to put in their spreadsheets so they can update their inaccurate price targets! 

Rather than actual shareholders who care about the business...

Anyhow it isn't surprising to me. This is a business that is constantly bidding for and hopefully winning contracts. It won't go up in a smooth straight line. It's inherently bumpy. And impossible to guide/forecast with detailed precision. So I'm happy to add a little to my position when short term sentiment kicks in on a "miss" or trim a little when short term sentiment gets too excited. As long as the order book, pipeline and tenders aren't going backwards it's all good.

I'd much prefer they (and all listed companies for that matter) didn't give guidance and just reported actual results and then their general thoughts and plans for the future. Then a thorough Investor Day once or twice a year. This beats and misses stuff against a bunch of excel spreadsheet jockeys forecasts is just silly and adds no real value over the long term in my view. If Berkshire, Apple, Data#3 etc don't give guidance and have all compounded shareholder return well above the market, then why shouldn't others? It's just a waste of managements time in my humble opinion.

I plan to speak with them about it at the AGM this year.

Anyhow, have updated my valuation and here is what I come up with -

Based on this years EPS, a growth rate for the next few years of 12% (which is 1/3 of what they have been doing), a PE of around 14 (bottom end of their average) and div payout ratio of about 45%. I get an expected return of around 14% p.a. for the next 5 years. It won't all work out exactly like that of course but plenty of margin of safety built in based on what's known today.

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mikebrisy
Added 6 months ago

I caught up with the call via reviewing the transcript. I agree with @Karmast 's comment that the conversion of wins into the Order Book is going to be a lumpy and variable process.

One comment that surpised me was blaming (in part) the Caretaker Government mode on a slowdown in Defence decisions. While that is a perfectly reasonable state of affairs to have arisen, the point is that $DUR are experienced defence contractors and the caretaker period is a well-defined period of time in which any decisions involving Ministerial sign-off get delayed. When $DUR set their guidance, they will have know which pipeline prospects and tender items were exposed to the federal election cycle, and therefore they had knowledge of that risk in setting guidance. So, I don't give them a pass for that.

I expect the next positive SP catalyst will be the two big Defence Contracts in HMAS Stirling in WA, for which $DUR have been involved with a 50% interest as part of their Ertech JV. Given their ECI involvement, these has a high change of success.

Overall, I think we are seeing a period of slower conversion into the Order Book, and it is reasonable to mark down the growth trajectory (P/E) a little for that. Again, I'm probably not far off @Karmast's view on valuation.

I actually sold my $DUR position in early April. The reason was not for any fault of $DUR or for any concerns regarding that business. it was just that the market's tariff tantrum meant that several high conviction stocks that I hold looked relatively more attractive, and I chose to increase weightings in my RL-ASX portolio on some nice drawdowns, at the expense of some of my lower-conviction/lower upside holdings. I also added some relatively small, speculative positions, including $OCC and $AVH.

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