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Pinned straw:

Added 5 months ago

An LIC which has all the issues of vested interested and closed capital. This one being a case in point of how bad they can be. I think the issues are magnified when they're small and this one is around ~$300M so quite small.

However it is trading at a 32% discount:

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Furthermore action is now being taken to close the discount:

Email below:

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Now do we believe the NTA. From the monthly report they've been selling some assets as per below that are supportive.

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and the buyback has started:

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In the past with small LICs, buybacks, have done little to close discounts but they can temporarily.

Furthermore there have been issues with PE but performance has been lack luster. Lack luster performance results in discounts.

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As the LIC shrinks corporate listing fees also become an issue.

It does provide a dividend but not franked so might not get the baby boomer crowd.

Not sure who would be the natural buyer and long term owner. Seems to me this will delay time until an activist and wind up.

In any case a possible interesting scenario if people wanted to share their thoughts?

Mujo
Added 5 months ago

Largest position in the LIC too at about 6%.


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Solvetheriddle
Added 5 months ago

@Mujo  , good luck with it, not my cup of tea. I ran a $100m LIC for several years, one of the most frustrating experiences of my career, which has turned me off LIC for life. I knew a guy whose sole investment strategy was buying LICs at a 30% discount, must have sound assets; he did quite well. As I said, not my cup of tea. Buybacks at that scale are counterproductive because you are (desperately) trying to fractionalize the (large) cost of operation across as many shares as possible, to get the cost per share lower. Buybacks are counterproductive to this. I tried; it's a short-term sugar hit, followed by the reality check.

you may have to wait a while for the gap to close. remember, meanwhile, the costs eat returns, need a corporate event eg t/o or become a ETF

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Mujo
Added 5 months ago

Definitely a short-term trade from the 'sugar hit' as you refer to it than a long-term hold.

They have raised 10% in cash to start buying back which should support the price if nothing else. The underlying portfolio asset class is probably able to turn too.

I think <$500M should not be listed as there's no chance of being sustainable long term agree.

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