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Added 4 months ago

Been doing some more thinking

I have invested a small-moderate amount in ART (see previous posts for my investment case)

The thing that is stopping me putting more in is simple:

FEES

ART charges fees to both sides of the transaction. The "tasker" (ie person doing the job) gets charged a "service fee" of 20% (although this can reduce for taskers who do a LOT of jobs and have good feedback, see below). There is also a "connection fee" paid by the customer of 15.95%, minimum $4.95, maximum $49.45.

So for a typical $250 job, the tasker will pay a $50 fee and the customer will also pay a connection fee of $40. The customer pays $290, the tasker gets $200 and ART gets $90.

To be fair, there are tiers for the service fee. But the requirements are pretty onerous. To get Silver tier you need to have earned over $880 on the platform in the past 30 days, PLUS have "okay" completion in your past 20 tasks. For that, you get to pay "only" 18.5%, instead of 20%. To qualify for the best "Platinum tier" with a 12.5% service fee, you need to have earned at least $5300 on the platform in the past 30 days, PLUS have "excellent" completion.

Even if the tasker is "Platinum", the breakdown for a $250 job would look like this: customer pays $290, tasker gets $218.75, ART gets $71.25

Things are slightly better (but still too high IMO) for a $500 job. The customer pays $549.45, the tasker gets between $400 and $437.50, depending on tier, and ART makes between $111.95 and $149.45.

TOO EXPENSIVE ?

I would love to get other opinions on this. For me these fees just seem too expensive. Am I being a tight arse? Does anyone want to make the case that fees like that are reasonable?

OR DOESN'T MATTER?

To make the counter-argument, the fees do include 3rd party liability insurance. Plus I suppose if you phone up a company to get someone to come and do a job at your house, they probably take a higher percentage than ART. And you will be paying that fee again for any repeat business. Perhaps the argument can be made that ART is expensive because it is essentially just an introduction service. You pay a high fee for the first job, but if you are happy with the work, you just contact the person directly for sebsequent jobs (and pay no fees).

The other major argument against fees being too high, is that the business has been performing. Despite these fees, the Australian business has been growing and profitable, and the overseas businesses are showing promise. The proof is in the pudding, and recently the pudding has been pretty good.

CONCLUSION

I still can't help thinking that ART could do so much better with a different (lower) fee structure. The marginal costs of running the website are pretty low. If fees were lower, I really believe that the platform would get a LOT more use. Less advertising would be required and I wouldn't be surprised if profits ended up higher.

I really hope that Tim (the founder/CEO) agrees to an interview. I would love to hear his response.

Also it would be great to get some other opinions from SM. I am genuinely conflicted about this one.

It is hard to go all in on something that feels like a bit of a rip-off.



thetjs
Added 4 months ago

Understand where you are coming from @Goldfish

Ive used ART services a few times.

In all instances it was a first use only approach (repeated uses went straight to the individual and not through ART) and for a task that ‘just needed to get done’ so I accepted that there was some fat in the cost.

If that is the primary model and as long as there are more people coming along that need a thing done right now then Incan see ART continuing to be successful.

If you are in any way ‘handy’ with tasks than I think this model get’s rightly questioned about the fees but otherwise it’s the price for convenience and having the thing, whatever it is, just get done.

I’d assume if a competitor started up and charged less then they’d start to eat into ART’s market (the Aldi strategy). Otherwise I’d expect they continue to grow as the default go to.

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lowway
Added 4 months ago

I align better with your bear case for ART @Goldfish. Like @thetjs, I've tried to use ART, but unlike @thetjs it was a flop.

I was desperate at the time and was willing to pay what I also consider to be pretty over-the-top fees, but to really annoy me my tasker was a no show, leaving me to beg friends for urgent help. To be clear, it was simply moving furniture the dat before I was having timber floors sanded and I fairly( at least in my mind) offer the job for $400 plus costs.

To make matters worse, getting my funds back from ART was also hard work and took over a week!!

Potentially I just had an unlucky experience and there is obviously many that benefit from this middleman service, but I think the fees are too much and most would only use in a real emergency (and hopefully don't suffer the same fate as me).

Anyway, not for me and my hard earned.

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RogueTrader
Added 4 months ago

I see Morgans did some analysis on ART recently and have a PT of 55c:32fbdef6cd2acf3b5339e7ccae0f8772dc38c0.png

https://morgansresearch.blob.core.windows.net/updates/RC_CBB2E241-0E42-40A8-9E42-005285CC0C64.PDF

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Goldfish
Added 4 months ago

This link is their update following the recent Q4 quarterly:

https://file-download-proxy-service.morgans.com.au/download?token1=MWVlMzEyODJkM2ViNDJkOWI2YjRhZGVhOWM0NGI1ZTJhNTRlZm&token2=MzY3ZWY1ZmFlMWU4NDA4NzgyODM4OWZhN2M0YTk2NDNjYWFlYm&disposition=inline

Morgans liked the Q4 update, despite revenue coming in a little below their prior estimate. They must have been super-optimistic for Q4. It is normally a seasonally quiet quarter for ART. The result was dramatically better than previous years Q4 results.

Quite a good summary. Still a "Buy" in their view, with a valuation of $0.55

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Dangles
Added 4 months ago

Hi @Goldfish

I've used the website once when I needed someone to sand and restore an outdoor deck.

Having to pay upfront before the job was completed was a big deterrent for me and I realised that with a bit of googling I found the contractor that I wanted to do the job anyway, so we sidestepped Airtasker and their commissions and split the difference. Contractor did a decent job, so in future I would probably just do something similar again.

I think therein lies the rub with Airtasker, they will get a decent chunk of upfront fees on jobs from people that just need something done, but they will rarely get repeat work and they'll need to constantly attract new customers via advertising. It's not the sticky revenue we idolise in the investing community which is what would make me nervous.

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