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Valuation – Audinate

In my earlier straws and posts this morning, I concluded that “the story” for Audinate was intact and made sense, but that I wanted to take a closer look at the numbers.

I’ve now done that work, and unfortunately, I can’t see how $AD8 gets on a trajectory to make enough money to justify its share price.

Accordingly, I exited this afternoon in RL and SM.

I’m not going to rehash the results or the outlook, as I think various StrawPeople have covered that well enough today. I will focus here on how I have translated today’s presentation and what management said into my assessment of value.

Having done this work, I’ve concluded that I don’t actually have any clue as to what the business is worth, However, the weight of analysis leads to numbers I don’t like. And because I could from $4.80 to $5.05 (in RL) and $4.785 on SM, that looked like a good deal to me, so I took it.

I'll go through the details of my analysis.

 

Methodology

I’ve generated a range of scenarios to generate NPAT and EPS out to FY32. By that time, earnings are growing strongly, so I’ve then applied P/Es of 30, 40 and 50, and discounted back to today.

I considered having a go at a DCF, however, it’s not clear enough what the economics are around investment, so I reverted to extrapolating the financials instead. When you look at the scatter of ranges I get in the graph at the bottom, it pretty much doesn’t matter what method you use. (I defy anyone to trial and nail valuation down more tightly!)

That in itself was reason enough for me to decide that I can’t own this business anymore.


The Big Drivera – What Changed?

Three things have happened, that lead to me not understanding the value of $AD8 anymore:

1.     Revenue: FY25 revenues went backwards, materially. We’ve written a lot about this before (i.e., industry ”Bullwhip”) on this forum, so I won't repeat it.

2.     Industry Outlook and $AD8 positioning: Coincident with the “bullwhip” is the realisation that FY22-24 had temporary tailwinds of end customers investing in Pro AV networks to support things like hybrid working. The outlook for the industry now isn’t fabulous (AVIXA 3.9% industry growth short term; other sources show 4%-5% medium term; $AD8 revenue growing at 2 to 3 times industry). that's not such an exciting prospect.

3.     Three-legged strategy driving business complexity and cost: As @DrPete rightly pointed out earlier today, the three-legged strategy has made $AD8 a complex business. “Video” is not yet profitable, and “Control” is barely launched, with IRIS launching later in FY26. So, +25% Opex for FY26, at a time when Gross Margin is expected to grow at only 13%-15% compounds the harm done to the FY25 financials by the supply chain problems. And don’t forget the investment in acquiring IRIS is going to further elevate D&A.

The business complexity point is not to be down-played. Each product, whether hardware or software, will have a finite life cycle, a need to support customers on legacy platforms (Aidan made references to this today), so the product portfolio can be expected to proliferate over time. Yes, this will be easier to manage as software becomes a greater share of revenue, however, $AD8 is not a digital native, and they have not demonstrated that they have the capability of effectively and efficiently managing software lifecycles.

In my preparations for the FY25 results, I was expecting to tell a story about a business that has suffered a 1-year hit, resulting from a transitory supply chain disruption. Instead, I’m looking at a business where the combined effect of the existing supply chain disruption, together with the investment needs to stand up the next two legs of the business have pushed profitability out into the future by 3, 4 or 5 years – depending on what you believe.

So, to the numbers and the scenarios I considered in valuation.

Revenue

With revenue growth of 2-3 times the industry, I’ve considered annual revenue growth scenarios or 10%, 12% and 15%.

Gross Margin

Over the period FY26 to FY32, I’ve assumed % Gross Margins advance steadily from 81% to 88%, as more and more of the revenue’s come from software, and hardware becomes less important.

Opex

We’ve been guided to +25% Opex growth in FY26, to support the launch of the “Control” leg of the business.

I’ve assumed that Opex growth moderates in FY27 (+6-10% in the high growth scenario; +5-7% in medium growth scenario; and +4-6% in low growth scenario).

Thereafter from FY28 to FY32 I’ve assumed 4% and 5% Opex Growth depending on the scenario.

Non-Operating Income

Income from the current cash pile was important this year, and I’ve ramped this down over the next 4 years, as the cash pile is depleted and as interest rates ease a little further.

Capex

Because I’m running a financial model, the impact of capex isn’t explicit, as the D&A is embedded in the Opex growth assumption.

However, D&A as a % of revenue has averaged 16% over the last 7 years, with [PP&E+Intangibles] amounting to 23% of revenue.

So, one question is, once the three legs of the platform are built doesn’t investment slow down, and will this help drive operating leverage? I clearly assume it does, given the modest rate of Opex growth from FY28 onwards, but again, this is where the portfolio complexity can bite. All of the products in the market have a limited life cycle, and so $AD8 will need to innovate continuously, bringing new features to market across the portfolio.

Ideally, I’d have looked further at this. However, management have never really given a lot of insight into the R&D and Capex programme. So I felt that looking at this in further detail is meaningless.

Shares on Issue

I’ve made an allowance for 2% annual growth in SOI.

 Other Parameters

Tax rate – no taxes paid while unprofitable, and I’ve assumed in the later years a tax rate of 15% is payable, as there will be a significant deferred tax asset.

Discount rate – 10% applied.


Scenarios

Table 1 (below) lists the 9 input scenarios that went into the valuation.

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Output

Outputs for selected metrics are show in the table below.

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Graphical Output

My p50% valuation ranges from about $2.00 to $3.80, depending on the FY32 P/E, with the range of scenarios generating valuations anything from about $1.00 to $7.50. 

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My Conclusions

It really should come as no surprise that it is virtually impossible to value $AD8 with any conviction. Afterall, in 2022 an unprofitable, hardware audio networking business pivoted to software, as well as entering the Video networking business via acquisition. Now, barely 3 years later, a barely profitable business suffers a material supply chain shock, while at the same time evolving the strategy to add on the “control” segment via an essentially pre-revenue acquisition.

I certainly don’t know what the economics of this business look like, and the valuations presented here are simply what I think might be a range of reasonable extrapolations of the recent financials, the guidance given, and the industry attractiveness.

For my valuation, I am going to settle at $3.00, and I’m going to put a range around that of $1.50 to $7.50.

From today’s share price of c. $5, I don’t like the potential downside of this investment, and the upside doesn’t look exciting enough for me. Afterall, even in the best scenario, we face another 4-5 years where this is a loss-making business.

Who knows what new challenge will arrive in the intervening period.

I’m out.

Disc: Not held in RL and SM

Disclaimer:

This is not investment advice. Scenarios are illustrations only. This analysis is only intended as a record of my personal decisions.

jcmleng
Added 4 months ago

Great analysis as always @mikebrisy. Having also exited, I wanted to check that I hadn't missed anything in my own read prior to pulling the pin, just in case ...!

From a technical integration standpoint, the 3 stool strategy of Video, Audio and Control makes good sense from where AD8 is now, and I did not have an issue with that direction overall - it is responding to customer technology needs.

I am probably a lot more pessimistic about the opex growth moderating and what an eventual “steady state” opex run cost, with this new 3-stool strategy, would look like. It looks to me to be still at least 2-3 years out, based on the rationale below:

  • I took away the 25% opex lift in FY26 was primarily due to getting Iris launched to market, nothing else
  • The FY25 investment was mostly around Dante Director, to get it to the current state of small businesses only, so more investment will be required to expand the capability to service the larger Corporates as demand picks up in that space
  • Aidan then talked about continuing the need to support 2 video platforms, Iris and Silex, with the plan to merge the 2 into one - timeline unclear, but this did not sound straightforward - given the FY26 launch in Iris, this could start in late FY26, but should stretch into FY27
  • Then all the other ongoing product updates/upgrades


The risks are that (1) opex will be higher than 25% in FY26 - Iris + Dante Director (2) it will stretch into at least FY27 for the merging of the video platforms, before any opex decreases kick in, if at all. 

After FY25, this cost increase risk vs all the revenue headwinds and tepid industry growth in the next 1-2 years, squeezed the last bit of toothpaste left in my AD8 tube ...

Discl: No longer holding

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mikebrisy
Added 4 months ago

Thanks @jcmleng. I had a lengthy conversation about this with a local fellow investor yesterday. The key point we settled on, is that it is easy to increase costs, and a lot harder to reign them back in, particularly when you are focused on increased global market penetration! Iris is small with a lot of technical know-how in the team, so I can't see a lot of scope for post-acquisition cost synergies. Aidan spent quite a bit of time talking about the key technical staff yesterday.

I was tempted to run a scenario where Opex is quickly reduced in FY27 and then evolves on a lower trajectory. It makes a significant difference to the valuation and breakeven date. But you have to believe they can do that. Sure, they might spend a lot of $$ launching Iris next year, but at the end of the year they'll only be at the very early stages of commercialising Dante Director and Iris, and I can't imagine why they'd pull back with the job only half done. And then there will be the development work to create an integrated product suite for "control", which sounds like a couple of years work for me, and an ongoing step-un in investment in "intangibles", driving D&A higher for years to come.

I am sure aalysts will be probing this with Aidan on the roadshow and it WILL be interesting to see what comments surface in updated notes over the days and weeks ahead.

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Strawman
Added 4 months ago

Great analysis and process @mikebrisy.

Audinate is (potentially) another example of a business whose growth ambitions have become its own undoing, expanding beyond its core offering into areas where it has little obvious advantage. I don’t fault a company for testing the waters with new opportunities, but perhaps they went too hard, too soon. Combine that with sky-high growth expectations baked into the market’s valuation, and you end up with a very unappealing asymmetry: the growth materialises and you earn a decent (but not spectacular) return, or it doesn’t and you wear a sizeable loss. In other words, heads you win a little, tails you lose a lot.

That said, underneath it all is an outstanding audio product with plenty of room for further growth. The balance sheet is also in fortress-like shape. And maybe it isn’t a case of “not ever” with their video and control ambitions, but rather “not yet.” In five years we might look back on this as a gift. Who knows? The problem is, as you rightly highlight, not that success is impossible, or maybe even improbable, but that it is very difficult to know with any real conviction right now.

If the shares were dirt cheap, it would be easier to overlook the uncertainty. But even after yesterday’s precipitous drop, they still trade on a forward price-to-sales multiple of roughly 6x!. (With EBITDA minimal and EPS negative, PE and EV/EBITDA metrics are not especially useful here.)

I’ll sell my small holding on SM today, but will watch with interest from the sidelines.

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mikebrisy
Added 4 months ago

@Strawman I agree about the products: audio - certainly, video - looks like it too; control, who knows. So, maybe the strategy will work and over the long term $AD8 will be successful.

However, there's every chance for another bad year in FY26, and the financials next year will ugly, with a large increase in the NPAT loss driving the headlines.

So maybe, at the end of FY26, with stormy waters behind and a low enough SP (<$2.50 at end FY26), it could be worth another look.

I like Aidan as a CEO and, even though he looked very uncomfortable yesterday, he is a straightshooter and I've always found him to be candid.

As you say, the stong balance sheet might buy them a year or two, as long as he has a supportive board. (I bet you he is pleased in restrospect to have raised at $13!)

Back on my watchlist.

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Valueinvestor0909
Added 4 months ago

Great analysis. I share a similar view, though with a slight twist. I don’t see Audinate’s move into video and control as an ‘expansion’ beyond its core, but rather a necessary step to protect its market share. Without it, competitors from the video side would eventually threaten the audio stronghold.

I’ve decided to hold my position, as I see a potential case building into FY27. I don’t think I’d be able to perfectly time re-entry if I sold now, so I’d rather stay invested through the transition. ( Also, my position is small and even smaller now, so it makes it easy to decide, and I know that shouldn't be the reason to hold)

My full view: https://arichlife.com.au/audinate-asx-ad8-fy25-results-see-share-price-drop-on-disappointing-guidance/


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Shapeshifter
Added 4 months ago

Thanks @Valueinvestor0909 I found your article to be an excellent analytical and objective assessment of the current state of play for Audinate.

The rewards are potentially still there but risk has increased and the pathway forward murkier.

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