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Last edited 4 months ago

Following @mikebrisy 's SPZ results update, am firming up thoughts to open a position on SPZ with excess cash from the unplanned exit from AD8.

Listened to the SM interview with Paul and Richard from Feb 2024. It is a bit dated, but still very useful to get an understanding of the business. Also went through @Strawman 's notes from 3 or so months go.

It is a very simple business to understand, thankfully! Have not fully digested the recent results, but wanted to document my initial thoughts and pause a bit prior to pulling the trigger on a starter position to get going.

Investment Thesis

  • Huge TAM, theoretically "all car parks in the world in countries that have a friendly legislative regime around providing car/driver information" - SPZ is just starting in each of the countries that it is in, so growth ahead is huge
  • Financials are very compelling - FCF $13.3m, cash $12.7m, revenue up 42% YoY, EBITDA up 47% YoY, EBITDA Margin a healthy 26.6%, already profitable with NPAT up 47% etc
  • Sites have grown at a fast clip - 45% in FY25, across multiple countries
  • US Peak Parking acquisition will accelerate the growth across the US
  • Win-win for customer and SPZ - monetise car park assets at no/minimal capex cost to customer, in return for shared revenue to ensure "car parks are always available to genuine customer"
  • Low-ish capex requirement per site (reminds me a lot of MTO!)
  • Share price is now at the same price as the capital raise for the Peak Parking acquisition - not a bad time to join the party


The Risks

  • Changes in regulatory framework can hurt - Qld, Denmark, de-risk by expanding to more countries
  • Product is not super long-term sticky (as compared to say, SAAS software like XRO, SDR), customers can leave at the end of contract and go with someone else - de-risk with good service
  • There are lots of competitors - de-risk with good service
  • Technology does not appear to be uniquely proprietary to SPZ, feels like there are viable technical solutions which a competitor can provide - not a high entry barrier/insurmountable moat - - de-risk with good service
  • High dependence on maintaining high human-based service to customers, it is not an install and leave situation like software - Paul talked about the need to constantly touch base with customers etc, ongoing dependence on good sales force


It looks like a very exciting business to own. But my niggling fear is that the moat is not as watertight as I would like it to be, which holds me back a bit, but hell I can be convinced!

Much appreciate if SPZ holders could glance through and point out anything missing or incorrect, particularly the risks.

Discl: Not Held, but looking to open position


Rocket6
Added 4 months ago

Some good commentary here. But I don't think the single greatest risk (outside of obvious legislative concerns) has been mentioned -- leadership! Both existing and future. I will elaborate.

Key person dependency (a cohort of a few) is a problem for me -- not for the running of the business itself but both culture and capital management decisions. There is no denying that Paul and co have done a sensational job over the last few years -- conservatively growing this business from a 50m enterprise to one nearing 400m. Over extension is a big risk, even with them at the helm, but I consider Paul, his broader management team and the board to be sensible capital allocators and decision makers that actually give a shit about their shareholders. This business would be very easy to grow quickly (incentives are everything) via aggressive acquisitions and expansion -- but that doesn't mean that will be a good result for shareholders. Their expansion has been sensible, measured and well considered. Most of it organic or sensible acquisitions that don't involve software bloat or anything similar. The recent shift into the US is a big shift in the game plan, and one that we should remain alert to, but at the same time their track record is bloody impressive. They have earnt my trust in this regard.

Two key members for me are Paul (CEO) and Chris (Chairman), and to a lesser extent Richard (CFO). They have all been involved with this business for over a decade. That is quite incredible in itself. They understand the industry, risks and players involved and presumably each have similar perspectives about strategy (otherwise they would have splintered and gone separate ways long ago). They are all important members for both historical and future performance. I am watching this very closely and outside of legislative risk it is my biggest concern. Like I said, this business would be easy to burn up in flames from a shareholder perspective -- coincidentally it would also be easy to increase revenues significantly without much care for sustainability and reputation.

Outside of the above, another concern (but perhaps less critical) is the risk of growing pains. For those familiar with the Smart Parking of old (pre 2020) there were some previous concerns with non-compliance within the British management team as an example. As Smart Parking grows, their business model (worldwide) becomes more difficult to control/oversee for Paul and co. As a business that is heavily reliant on isolated sales silos, it is something to monitor.

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twee
Added 4 months ago

Nice thesis summary @jcmleng - first time I'm reading your post without the month delay!

On risks, concentration on the UK market (although much improved) is a still a big risk.

I agree on the major risk being regulatory and the potential for regulatory contagion mikebrisy mentions, NZ often follows UK/Australia on policy. I think if the PBN charges are seen as reasonable by customers then it's less likely e.g. PBN charge total should scale with time parked - not sure how they work in practice. They spend some time discussing the UK regulatory environment in the FY25 commentary suggesting it's more favourable than before. The reality is, with some bad media coverage - a few punters getting charged unreasonable parking fines, with the flick of politicians pen - things can change.

My other main risk is the USA segment. I wouldn't call it a success yet, there's a big chunk of goodwill (39m) on this acquisition so want to see continued payoff here. I know management knew the US sellers for some years before the acquisition but I've also seen things change after the sellers get their earnout so watching that too. Early signs are positive though, liked how they say that capex is usually done by the customer in the US.

I would also draw attention to the German situation. Why? They've been there since 2022 and it has similar revenue/site ratio to NZ but it's still a drag (not sure why, I assume higher capex). Germany and Denmark (and Switzerland) will likely be adjusted EBITDA negative in FY26 too. None of Europe apart from UK is positive yet. Perhaps this a consequence of the 'land grab' race to reach site targets approach.

Overall, I agree with the grow sites approach, my thesis was it's a simple business and doesn't require genius. Grow sites, grow PBNs, low to moderate capital spend, half-decent management and the cash should flow. The regulatory pitfall will always be there, and must discount for this.

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Noddy74
Added 4 months ago

Germany and Denmark (and Switzerland) will likely be adjusted EBITDA negative in FY26 too.

Management stated Germany would be EBITDA positive in FY26. They were then asked for more specific timing in the Q&A and were emphatic that it would be EBITDA positive from 1H onwards. Presumably the signing of 25 Burger Kings signed in late FY25 but not installed at year end will assist with this.

Denmark is a concern. Manually placing the initial notice on a windscreen is not their business model. It will both add costs and reduce incidence. If they can't make decent money under that model I'd like to think they will take their bat and ball and exit much sooner than they have done in QLD.

@mikebrisy I asked the question about whether QLD sites were still in the 20 Aug site figure. It was clear they were still including them in the 30 Jun number but given they subsequently made the decision to exit I was surprised they are continuing to include them. Their argument will be that the infrastructure is still there and they are progressively removing them from the site total as the equipment is removed. Fair enough but I agree they should have made that clear without being prompted.

@jcmleng In terms of risks I'd add the takeup of autonomous driving as a greater than zero chance existential risk. I'd give credit to others who have made similar observations but can't find the thread. Elon keeps banging on about his progress in this area but I think his design philosophy of relying almost solely of cameras is proving to be a real impediment. However, Waymo has made real progress and has already normalised autonomous driving (from a taxi perspective at least) in the cities in which it operates. This includes some of the key regions operated by Peak Parking, such as cities in Texas.

Having said that Smart Parking is still one of my largest holdings and I'm not close to pulling the ripcord just yet!

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mikebrisy
Added 4 months ago

@Noddy74 yes agree about Denmark. I guess they’ll need an API to an Uber app to have a guy on a bike dispatch the tickets. Blows the economics if you have one car park in a city! But if you have 50-100 it probably works…. A bit of margin erosion.

On QLD, there’s something about CEO’s and discretionary operational metrics and wanting to get away with what they can. Lucky for me, I’ve discounted the QLD numbers as long as I’ve been a shareholder. (Something about QLD politicians appetite for risk on anything that might be used as a political weapon!)

As for self driving,… it will be interesting to see if the West can adopt ad fast as China. I’ve a feeling all the lawsuits will put grit in gears in the US for a while? But definitely one to monitor.

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twee
Added 4 months ago

Thanks for that correction Noddy, I hope to find a link to the call. Wonder if they described why Germany was negative still?

Edit: They said Germany would be breakeven by CY25.

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mikebrisy
Added 4 months ago

@jcmleng one risk I would add is PR/reputation risk. For example, if it turns out the company mishandles an appeal from a member of the public, and it then turns into one of those stories the press love (think ABC Four Corners) and as a result it damages brand and willingness of customers to stay or sign up with $SPZ for fear of brand damage by association.

Another risk is data Security. For example, if private details of a car park user are mis-used or stolen. This could also play into the PR/Reputation risk.

Paul Gillespie will rely on high quality Country Managers to ensure the culture of compliance and adherence to key controls is maintained. And as the business scales, that gets harder to assure. This is especially true if he adopts a regional structure. Sure, his regional MD’s might be good, but each of these has to make good country manager appointments below them. A good CEO will remain directly involved in those next level appointments.

These things can be very important particularly in businesses where staff are incentivised to hit aggressive growth targets. Treating car park users fairly is vitally important.

Interestingly, in QLD, when a public outcry arose over parking operators issuing PBNs, it was found the law for access to number plate data and then the issuing of a PBN was using a legal loophole. Rather than fix the flaw to allow parking operators to issue legally enforceable PBNs, because of a fear of public backlash, in March 2025, the QLD Govt. Closed the loophole - which killed any prospect of an SPZ business in QLD using its ANPR/PBN model. Unless of course there is a bigger legislative change. But no such change is on the government’s agenda, as far as I know.

I think that’s why $SPZ are now going to remove the QLD sites from the site count and redeploy the equipment to NZ, giving the Kiwi’s a “capex holiday.” (Love that term!!)

it is also why I am concerned (given that there appears to be from what I can find out) this recent negative development in QLD, that Paul did not address this head on in the results. “Good news” CEOs worry me. And this is an orange flag that I want to do more digging on. (Maybe see how he handles a question on this at the AGM or next Strawman meeting.)

So, the regulatory risk you’ve mentioned is the biggie, and it is the reason I will not add anymore to my current position size.

And then (just to really scare you off), the nightmare risk is Regulatory Contagion. This is where an adverse regulatory development in one jurisdiction is adopted elsewhere. Regulators monitor developments in other countries and consider whether they might be beneficial in their jurisdiction. So, hypothetically, what if the UK regulator studied what happened in QLD and decided there are valid learnings for the UK. And so on. Then it doesn’t matter how diversified $SPZ has become.

I obviously believe the risk of that happening is very low, otherwise I wouldn’t own $SPZ. But I can’t ignore it.

All our businesses have scary risks if we put our minds to it. As an investor in SPZ I believe the rewards are there. But it is important to understand the risks.

Hope that helps, and interested in the views of others.

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