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mikebrisy
Added 2 months ago

@jcmleng thanks for sharing your valuation and assumptions on $XRF, which I am also a happy holder of.

You asked for feedback on your valuation, and compared with my assessment, which I will sketch out in a moment - you have arrived at valuations that are higher than mine.

My approach is slightly different, in that I project the financials out 4 years to FY29, and then discount back at 10% to the start of FY26.

In developing my projections, I note the following CAGRs for the historical period FY21 to FY25:

  • Revenue 17.4%
  • GM 20.2%
  • Expenses 15.6%
  • EBIT 21.1%
  • NPAT 19.1%
  • EPS 18.1%


I didn't go back further, because $XRF was a much smaller business then and the growth rates therefore exaggerated in the early years.

The rate of growth has flattened across the period. Because of this, I get a bit nervous when I see your high case EPS growth of 27.60%, as a basis for valuation. I can't see anything in the company strategy that would lead to such a change of gear on an ongoing basis.

I've also been somewhat conservative on the P/E range, choosing 20 and 25 for my range. I agree that if $XRF can reliably deliver mid-teens EPS growth as it scales, the market could well reward it with a higher P/E premium.

So, I've run the following cases - in all cases I assume EPS growth into the future is at a slowing rate compared to history.

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Common parameters:

  • Discount rate: 10%
  • Tax rate: 30%
  • Growth in SOI are 1.2% p.a. (based on last 4 years)


Conclusions

I've highlighted in green the results I'm focusing on. If $XRF achieves lower EPS growth, we are more likely to see the lower P/E ratio, and equally, if the high growth is achieved the higher P/E seems more likely.

Thus, I've settle on my valuation range as $1.76 ($1.46-$2.12)

What's great about using this simple methodology is that it makes it easy to compare our valuations and key assumptions, If the case of comparing your analysis with mine, I am very comfortable with your lower and middle assumptions, but I can't get to your higher ones. And that explains the difference between our respective attempts.

One factor I am alert to is the maturing of growth. While profit growth has held up well recently, it is also maturing, and it will be interesting to see if revenue growth resumes, as this is needed to justify the longer term valuation.

Although the SP today is above my range, I am holding onto my full position. This is because I recognise the potential for the market to reward the quality of earnings growth stability of this business with a higher P/E than I have allowed for.

In the high EPS growth scenario, with a P/E of 30, the valuation increases to $2.54, so I'd be unlikely to sell for anything much less than $2.40, at the moment.

Disc: Held in RL and SM

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jcmleng
Added 2 months ago

@mikebrisy , really appreciate the challenge! I am still wrapping my head around the valuation process. I was trying to use some "historical basis" EPS growth to insert into the scenario's rather than pluck a no-basis number. But while they may be some historical basis, that doesn't mean that it is real ....

I took away the following:

  1. Even with a "historical basis", there still needs to be a further sanity to check to see if the use of that basis is real or not (duh to me!)
  2. Fully agree on maturing of growth - I had that sense when working out the average growth rates which got smaller as the base increased each year - but I then ignored this in the final Highly Optimistic Scenario in lieu of "it has historical basis' - this scenario now clearly needs to be pared right back.
  3. Instead of a Highly Optimistic/Highly Unreal scenario, which will inevitably skew the valuation to a more optimistic/more unrealistic outcome, it is probably more sensible, necessary even, to consciously do a "not-great-year" scenario instead, to temper the current inherent over-bullishness.
  4. Which kind of takes me back to @Strawman's original Best Case/Best Guess/Worse Case scenario's and the weighting thereof - the rationale for these categories now makes more sense ...


Will revisit the valuation with this in mind and see where it now lands.

Thank you again for the feedback - I got a lot out of it ...

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mikebrisy
Added 2 months ago

@jcmleng I always find it helpful to have the valuations of other StrawPeople to compare with, and I got a lot of value looking at yours too!

Of course, none of us should believe we are right in our assumptions because ultimately valuation is about the future, and none of us can preduct the future. But the discipline of writing down a valuation gives me a frame of reference against which I can take decisions to invest, ... or sell, as the case may be.

When I find I struggle to understand the numbers needed to put into a valuation, it is a good signal to me that I don't understand the business and I should stay away.

I also get huge value out of running the different scenarios - how bad might it really be? how good could it be? That spread of outcomes, and what you have to believe for each, really helps me understand the risk exposure around an investing decision. And of course, because the market can flip around as to what it thinks is going on based on the latest information, having a range really helps me keep a level head when the SP is volatile, or if the business is goingthrough a softer patch performance-wise.

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