Forum Topics SP3 SP3 Spectur Ltd General Discussion
Timocracy
Added 3 years ago

Noting that Spectur is doing the rounds through some brokerage company at the moment. I haven't had a chance to take one of the calls but voicemail indicates there may some sort of cap raise on offer.

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thunderhead
Added 3 years ago

So you're saying we should front run the impending raise and sell? :D

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Timocracy
Added 3 years ago

@thunderhead not personal advice, but yes. Lol. I have no idea. I have a distressing recollection of being offered a great price on 4DS shares recently. If I had placed the $6k order, I think there would have been a near doubling within a few months.


Theeeeeeeeen it went south and I would have had to wipe my tears with Monopoly money instead of $100 bills.

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Colflan
Added 3 years ago

Thanks for info @Timocracy, I got a voicemail from someone claiming to represent the company too. At first, I assumed it was a scam, but was a little intrigued by how they got my details. Once I realised it was above board, I listened to what they had to say. Which wasn't much, they didn't really push anything. Just called to see if I'd been following the company announcements and if I had any questions. This is the first time a company I've invested in has called me - I found it all very strange.

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Timocracy
Added 3 years ago

@Colflan Very interesting indeed. My understanding it is still a third party representing the company though, yes? Would be different if the CEO left me a voicemail I think.

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Colflan
Added 3 years ago

@Timocracy, definitely a third party.

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thunderhead
Added 3 years ago

It's so tricky in small cap land. So many pitfalls and landmines, with something blowing up seemingly every other day.

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Muddled
Added 3 years ago

Totally agree with that, I'm experiencing many more blow-ups than rockets at the moment. Lots of deep breaths here!

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Timocracy
Added 3 years ago

How many shares would get me a board seat?

I’ve pondered this for a little while. Micro/nano cap companies and taking the approach of putting in $50k - $100k at a price less than 1x sales (or 1x profits even, lol why not) and curious if that would ever be a big enough stake to take a board seat and influence the company to head in a direction that could benefit shareholders.

That is assuming the skills, knowledge and patience to do so. It’s not all about money.

Kind of like coming in as microscopic private equity. Buying a chunk of the business then helping scale so I end up with a $2bil dividend like twiggy at FMG.

Spectur could be small enough.

Thoughts?

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Bear77
Added 3 years ago

In my experience, if a board had 4 or 5 directors including the Chairperson, and somebody bought 20% or more, they would likely get a seat on the board if they requested one. As a general rule of thumb, if you control half the company, you get to nominate half the directors, 20% would get you one fifth of the board, and so on. 10% of the company doesn't really guarantee anything, but if it was a large company, and it had 9 or more board members, you might get one director on the board. But that director would generally have to have some relevant experience and be seen as an asset rather than an extra head to pay fees to. But every case is probably different I guess.

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bjbart
Added 3 years ago

Out of interest, I was camping in Kakadu in the NT the other week and noticed a couple of Spectur units on remote roads. I think someone here had a knock on the aesthetics of the units. I can you that they look pretty much just like a small light pole. Quite discreet. I just noticed the sticker on the unit with the company logo on it otherwise I would’ve driven right past without noticing the thing at all. Maybe the close up photos on the website makes them look strange but in reality they’re quite nonchalant.

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Noicewon11
Added 4 years ago

@Elpaso

Great content with the valuation, it's good to see you posting regularly again!!

I have a few queries

"if I don't see it prop up in the financials then I will not consider it."

Let's hypothesize and say prop up in financials = generate sustained free cash flows for a few consectuve quarters.

Do you think that by the time the business is propped by its financials that it will be revalued by the market and thus you will miss some of the upside? (I personally don't own Spectur for similar reasons but I am interested to hear your thoughts).

 

"The driver of the valuation is revenue growth as the company since I am only considering the hardware sales (not rental revenues etc...)"

I dont necessarily disagree with this statement, but don't fully agree either.

Yes, high levels of revenue growth would be good for the business but would this necessarily drive the valuation? What if revenues grew but costs grew at 2x the speed? Would the valuation still rise? And you really need to consider the cash position of the business. They aren't capitalised well enough to grow at such a speed.

& how come you are only considering the hardware sales? Back in January 2021, Gerard stated the following;

“Spectur achieved quarterly revenue of $1m, reflecting a shift in market sentiments from outright ownership to short and longer term rental and leasing models. These longer term contracts underpin future revenue and will lead to greater stability and predictability in revenues going forward. Gross margins for the rental fleet are also consistently greater than 70%, which should also contribute to improving profitability as volumes continue to increase.”

Gerard 'sold' the capital raise as a launch for the rental fleet and the software development for the business. Subsequently in the interview here he mentioned that SP3's long term plan was to develop into a platform business rather than a seller of hardware.

I think you need to reconsider the software side of the business given it has better margins, has less capital intensity and IMO has the potential to generate more pure free cash flows than the hardware side of the business.

 

Thank you immensly for the valuation post, If anyone is interested in me revisiting my valuation(s) for Spectur then please reach out and I will create some further notes for the community.

 

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elpaso96
Added 4 years ago

Yo bud. I've had more time to do research, hence more active :) 

Paraphrasing the questions

  1. "Do you think that by the time the business is propped by its financials that it will be revalued by the market"
    • Yup (if it props up, I will consider it hardware + software business). When I mean prop up, I mean the software component is growing meaningfully QoQ (not up and down) and greater than 30% of total revenue. 
  2. "How come you are only considering the hardware sales [not including rental revenues]? 
    • I agree that technically speaking, rental revenues should be part of hardware but in the future, Spectur is targeting to be a solutions company. Therefore, they are gonna bundle everything [cost of the hardware (solar power remote monitoring system), software value-add, additional services] and turn it into a rundle :D (recurring revenue bundle) 
    • When they start rundling, it would be categorised under rental revenue so it turns into a quantum particle (exist in both states :D)
    • It's not like they are minting cashflows or generating over $100M of sales. Hence, in my valuation post, I came to the conclusion why bother guessing the rundle?? They are gonna rundle and I can treat it separately when it happens.  
  3. "I think you need to reconsider the software side of the business given it has better margins, has less capital intensity and IMO has the potential to generate more pure free cash flows than the hardware side of the business."
    • It's too small right now for me to consider the software component. You highlighted the characteristics - high margins and less CAPEX (although, let me throw you a curveball, how much do you think it will cost Spectur in total to build the platform/marketplace?). Once they build the platform, I agree the costs stabilise like (hosting, maintenance/ cybersecurity). Pure free cash flows, that's a bold assumption - for me, the hardware component should make up most cash flow. I can't see software cash > hardware cash in the short term. The rundling will take time. 

Now take a shot everytime I said "rundle"

None of this analysis matters -> Pump it to the moon :D 

Brainchip 2.0 les go lads get cheeky Nandos later

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