Forum Topics Premium improvement
Strawman
Added 5 years ago

Thanks for the insightss, all good points.

To be honest, we've been so focused on getting things right for our premium members that we have neglected the free users so far. And we do need to circle back and polish up the free experience, and make sure we get the balance right. We've just got a few more things we want to get right for you guys first (most notably a dedicated page for our meetings).

As it stands right now, free users Straws/Valuations are all private -- they are the only ones that can see it. We may change our thinking on that, but for what it's worth this restriction hasnt had any material impact on free user content creation so far.

The reason we did it like that was because, prior to the switch, it turned out that something like 95% of the content is created by 5% of our users (and we deemed these users to be the most likely to go premium anyway -- which is what has happened). So our users wouldnt suffer any real loss of quality content, and we'd ensure the newsfeed for premium users wasnt diluted with lower quality content.

Looking at our logs, it turns out that there's hardly been any content from free users since we made the switch anyway, so even if we did show it you wouldnt have seen much anyway.

All that being said, i think the best approach is to just give you guys the freedom to choose. I'll add this to our wishlist and we'll revsist once we get some clear air.

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MadAsALion
Added 5 years ago

Do we want filtering based on free user upvotes? Premium users - use a filter to include free site straws with greater than N free user upvotes. Free users would evaluate posts before premium users see them. For example, you set a filter to include free straws (not premium) that have 10 or more free upvotes.

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Bryce
Added 5 years ago

Viewing strawman from free to preium with a toogle switch > 100%

Ability to filter companies by industry and sector > 100%

A 'followers' tab? To click on ad see their activity specifically (I'm new so maybe I havent figured this one out yet)

Sliding into those DM's.... at the start I would have imagined this would be in play, but the biggest disadvantage is the loss of information to the general community.

Spell check on posts for when I finish ninght shift ;)

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slymeat
Added 5 years ago

I feel it would be benficial for Premium members to be able to seemlesly see, comment on, and react to posts made by non-premium/free members. The way things currently work seems to be hiding from premium members what could be valuable insight made by free members.

It would be beneficial for free member content to appear under home, companies, and members just as premium member content currently appears whilst at the same time, correctly, hiding premium content from the free members.

At the moment I feel we are two separate communities.  As well as free members not being able to benefit from premium content, free member content is being hidden from premium members. In this manner, premium members are missing access to a huge part of the Strawman universe.

We need to be one Strawman community, with those of us paying for premium service getting that premium service in addition to seamless access to the articles and members subscribing to the free service.

with the current setup, I feel it may be necessary to create a separate free account to ensure I can feed off the combined knowledge of the entire Strawman universe. That would be annoying and I am certain this was not an intention of the premium service, but rather is a consequence of the way the website has been designed.

 

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rmoss
Added 5 years ago

Agree, I had certainly assumed this would be how the community would operate, something like the toggle that exits for the index to switch between "all" and "premium".  I hope this will be addressed

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Ziggy
Added 5 years ago

Yes, I agree we've lost some valuable insights by hiding the free members' content. I've noticed some companies, for example Bapcor, no longer show a consensus valuation. So it's now left to 600 people to keep the IVs of 2000 companies up to date.

I know the consensus valuations can never be relied upon to be accurate or current anyway, and you should dyor, but I like to check in with what the community thinks as well.

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Rocket6
Added 5 years ago

Hi @slymeat, this was my biggest concern going into premium and its playing out just like I thought it would. I understand Andrew wants to make this an exclusive club of sorts - and to be fair it already is - but I feel like removing free content from visibility of premium members is counterintuitive.

I think there is a better way going forward. Again, I can appreciate what Andrew is trying to do, but I think he is reducing value for premium members but also creating a vacuum of sorts amongst the free community - both obviously being negative. If not everyone wants to see free user content, the ability to toggle on and off would be useful (although I doubt anyone would want to exclude this content). I think providing the ability for us to upvote posts we find valuable would reduce the 'vacuum' concerns - they will still see a lot of our contributions in a months time anyway, which i think is fair. 

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ArrowTrades
Added 5 years ago

Agree slymeat, I didn't realise that it would work this.

It doesn't make much sense, paying for premium should give you access all the content available.

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Bear77
Added 5 years ago

The obvious workaround would be to open up a second account using a second email address but to keep that one as a free user account, however I agree that it would be more useful to have all content in the one place rather than having to change accounts to access it. 

Edit:  Additional:  I forgot that free users can't see each other's contributions, only their own, so that suggestion of mine above would solve nothing, as your second account (the free user account) would only let you look at your OWN stuff created by that account, which has zero benefit for people who are already Premium members.

Something else I have noticed is that conversations within forums have had all of the free user input removed, so that's weird.  An example is exchanges I had with a couple of people within the "Quote of the day" forum months back.  Some of those people have not gone Premium, so their stuff has now been removed from those forum threads, leaving my replies to them there, but not what I was replying to.  When I see this, I am deleting my replies now, as they no longer make any sense without any context.  However, there are a LOT of forum threads, so this is going to be a long and time consuming process for me, and I am currently time poor, and it seems a little unnecessary, as in why does the free user stuff need to be removed from forums?

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Strawman
Added 5 years ago

There's a technical reason why it's been done like that Bear77 (but i'd be lying if i said i fully understood it -- but the Strawman devs are pretty smart guys, so i'm happy to back them).

There are a few things like this that are unavoidable due to the pivot we made to a private paid membership. If we'd started from the get go with this exact model in mind it would be different, but things have evolved this way and we're having to adapt the system as we move forward. But these are all point in time issues, and will fade in relevance as we proceed from here.

For what it's worth, when looking at the analytics, the page visits on most of these older forum posts are all essentially zero. So I wouldnt worry too much about needing to delete/edit your old posts. 

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