Forum Topics NCK NCK Nick Scali Ltd General Discussion
Solvetheriddle
Added 2 years ago

Good interview with Anthony Scali, following on from my preso previously. A lot of good detail here if you are interested.

UK acquisition on the agenda!

obviously i wish id bothered to have a closer look at NCK years ago, ive said that a few times with various companies!

Livewire with Mathew Kidman


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckawG_hg7Wk

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Vandelay
Added 3 years ago

On Ausbiz's The Call today the guests seemed to insinuate they believed the sell off in share price was due to management's reluctance to give guidance. They went on to imply that not giving guidance is worrying. It really made me chuckle, that these experts expect a management team to know how many couches Australians will buy in the next 5 months...

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mikebrisy
Added 3 years ago

100% agree. Just listening to the episode now. There is a lot of rubbish spouted on these shows - you really do have to exercise the grey matter to pick through it.

It would be a brave discretionary consumer CEO that gave guidance with rising interest rates and all the fixed term rates rolling over to variable. But that’s not the same as saying the sector is a sell.

Dics. Hold SUL and ADH in RL; ADH on SM

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mikebrisy
Added 3 years ago

You pay up front. I purchased once. Saw a lovely office armchair for $2000 on 8 week delivery. Just about to buy. Then glanced around and saw an even nicer (more comfortable) on floor stock, discounted 50% to $950. Paid. Delivered to my office next day. Sweet.

Disc: Never held but on watch list.

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Noddy74
Added 3 years ago

Just to be clear if you pay for something with cash, that doesn't automatically count as revenue. I'm too lazy to get the exact wording from the accounting standard but effectively control of the asset needs to move from the seller to the buyer. In the case of Nick Scali's business model that is significant because they usually take an order before shipping it.

So what does that mean for Nick Scali? It means orders made not delivered are a significant as a future predictor of revenue. The initial entry is DR Cash CR Deferred revenue (on the Balance Sheet). It's not taken off the balance sheet until control gets transferred. The exact point at which control gets transferred is often a point of contention companies have with their auditors but in my experience it's never before the goods land in the country.

One thing to watch is Deferred Revenue (Cash taken, order not delivered) and it's a knock I have on the NCK result because it is so significantly down. Timing plays a role so I wouldn't wholly lean on it but it's worthy of consideration.

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edgescape
Added 3 years ago

That concept is coming back from when I last learnt this 2 years ago in one of my accounting subjects. Basically the cash advance/deposit is like a liability for Nick Scali. So it can only be counted as revenue once the good is delivered to the customer and then the cash is added back to the balance sheet

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Rick
Added 3 years ago

Every dog has its day, and then every day has its dog! What is rare is when both dogs are the same! Today I’m left scratching my head and wondering if I’ve learned anything about investing over the past 40 years! ;)

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edgescape
Added 3 years ago

Also have to remember about companies selling gift vouchers.

Gift vouchers also count as unearned or deferred revenue, even if someone pays for them in cash.

I haven't seen any for Nick Scali but most likely they would exist.

And I believe one company got in trouble for booking vouchers as revenue. Can't remember who.

Another fun fact: Postage stamps is also deferred or unearned revenue. The large amount of deferred revenue from Auspost stamps is possibly one of the reasons why Auspost is underperforming financially at the moment as we don't know the full number of stamps minted. Even more disturbing is the number of collectors buying up sheets of postage stamps in the 80s and 90s not knowing about how much was actually printed and their children and relatives suddenly realising how hard it is to offload the collection.

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Rick
Added 4 years ago

Thanks @markeewanI appreciate you weighing in with your straw on the technical analysis for Nick Scali. Based on a pure valuation approach, I almost always seem to buy in too early. You are right, the chart looks horrible and there is likely to be more weakness in the share price…especially today! Too early once again! :)

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Brisvegaxe
Added 5 years ago

I think its getting near to the top of the cycle for these types of stocks .  All the stimmy with no-one going on holidays has meant much forward bought homewares .   Once people start travelling again the home will become less important , Growth will wane even possibly stagnate  .  If there is a large part of growth premuim in these stocks its time to start discounting that  . Not knocking the company in any way just putting some balance out there , I do not hold in any way  

 

Edit : earnings growth evident in recent forward multiple projections , watch this space , revisions be updated in next couple weeks 

 

https://imgur.com/gallery/a11fxKS

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