Forum Topics AMX AMX Guidance
thebehavioralinvestor
Added 4 years ago

Noting that EBITDA, adjusted for one time sales of company real estate etc, is up something like 3x over last year based on recent guidance I experimented by multiplying free cash flow by the same amount. This puts the multiple of MCAP/FCF at about 2. I hesitate on what to do about this as it means the company is incredibly cheap on all metrics, but I don’t know if I should be making these sorts of projections about FCF from a guidance announcement regarding EBITDA @TEPCapital @Strawman @Wini?

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Wini
Added 4 years ago

Hey mate,

I think that any sort of backwards looking analysis will be very difficult with a business like AMX. The business is drastically changing and any assessment of value today has to be made on where the business will be, not where it was.

Not to say historical financials don't have any value but work into the evolving product set and market are more important I think.

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Wini
Added 4 years ago

@thebehavioralinvestor "Not interested in a cash incinerator." Neither is the market unfortunately!

However it is worth looking at cash incineration with the perspective of the economics of the 3D segment. Right now, it is sold on a licence basis. It may move to a subscription model in time but that requires consistent demand which isn't there for 3D yet.

So right now the model is AMX spends ~$300-500k to capture a city. Cost varies on size (m2) and scale (2 v 5cm) but usually somewhere in that range. So far publicly disclosed licence sales are $250k for the San Francisco model so the payback on capture is relatively quick. Of course the beauty is anything above that payback is effectively 100% margin on your cost of sales, just look at the recent announcement of the $2.5m sale to the Fed Gov for datasets, the EBITDA guidance shifted up the full $2.5m. There is no incremental cost to deliver the licence, the capture has already happened (from an accounting point of view it is amortising through the P&L but let's just talk cash economics for now).

My point is a business like this can very quickly go from cash incinerator to cash generator, much faster than a normal operating business that has a cost of servicing incremental revenue. Bear in mind I don't expect that to happen quickly, AMX are still capturing new cities in the US (I saw on LinkedIn San Diego just announced) and demand is still in its infancy. An investment today is an extremely risky one and I won't pretend otherwise, but on my assessment the risk/reward is extremely interesting given the economics described above if you think the 3D space will take off in the coming years.

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Wini
Added 4 years ago

I don't think there are many. Accucities (https://www.accucities.com/) appear to be the closest given they capture up front and then sell models. Otherwise most appear to be contract/consultant based. I also keep an eye on NEA in general but they are doing stuff in 3D even though it isn't a direct competitor.

I think AMX has a nice first movers advantage but that can quickly be eroded. Part of the reason for burning cash now too.

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thebehavioralinvestor
Added 4 years ago

As shown in the latest announcement, 2022 EBITDA guidance is 6.7-8m. This represents astronomical OI/FDS CAGR of 58% from 2017-2022, the available range of data from IPO materials to latest 2022 guidance, considering that OI/FDS was only 0.0069 in 2017. Perhaps it's more realistic to start from 2018 when OI/FDS was 0.05, resulting in a CAGR of 8% from then to the lower bound of 2022 EBITDA guidance. Rough I know, especially considering that OI and EPITDA aren't equivalent. But at least this means OI geometric growth average will be positive.


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What remains is that the OIROCE metrics will probably remain below that which the market index can achieve. Why bother buying a company that achieves a lower rate of return than the index? Why not just buy the index and forget about it?

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