Forum Topics PE Multiples - what is a reasonable PE Multiple
Mujo
2 years ago

Not that this matters to us as bottom up stock pickers but for those interested below are the market assumptions from Fidelity.

Profit margins are clearly seen to be reducing from the current elevate levels. Interesting that they have multiple expansion (valuation) everywhere but the US - highlighting how the US is seen as more expensive than other markets.

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Mujo
2 years ago

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Finally on the subject can see the recent market weakness is all multiple compression. Where yet to see a hit to earnings from any economic slowdown in the recent earnings season.

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Mujo
2 years ago

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Nice reminder too of what drives stock returns.

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Timocracy
2 years ago

Another dimension to that would be "historical industry PE" in aiding the search for something potentially undervalued, overvalued, or on a rocket to the moon ;)

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Mujo
2 years ago

Many of us use multiples in valuation so thought it would be worth looking at how to work out a relevant multiple. The most common being a PE ratio.

The Credit Suisse here is quite detailed and worth a read PE Multiples - Credit Suisse.pdf . I'd note for a no growth business they see a 12.5x multiple as reasonable. If you are paying less than that earnings are expected to shrink and more than that its expected to grow.

The next resource I think is work reading is those from the Footnoes Analyst (ex UBS analysts and IFRS board members) - Analytical models | The Footnotes Analyst - in particular this model, where they look at that would be an appropriate PE multiple with an explanation of the inputs as well avaialble on their website Price earnings ratios – DCF in disguise | The Footnotes Analyst - they also have it as a downloadable excel spreadsheet.

This one is also useful on enteprise values - Interactive model: Target enterprise value multiples | The Footnotes Analyst

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Mujo
2 years ago

Agree this approach is what is taught in finance courses including the CFA i.e. the perpetuitty formula to derive - 'justified PE ratios' albeit I believe most times i have seen ROE used instead of ROIC which does make somewhat of a difference.

It is conservative and you'll find most things look expensive but then we should be picky and so no to most investment ideas. Good to know its working for you!


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