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Added one year ago

CSL Market Update

$CSL out today with an adjustment to guidance stating that "currency headwinds" have increased from US$175m estimated at HY to US$230-250m today.

Reiterated their preferred measure of NPATA, stating that results expected to come in towards top end of guidance of $2.7-2.8bn, and that NPATA growth to FY24 would be 13-18% of US$2.9-US$3.0bn cc.

From the wording of the announcement, it looks like they are trying to guide some analysts who have been shooting a bit high.

Listening to the various commentators on CSL there are strong expectations of return to favourable plasma collection dynamics, contributions from Vifor, operational efficiencies, and progress on new products. Some are stating that they believe that after the SP having tracked sideways more or less over the last three years, FY24 is going to be the next "breakout year". So that perhaps explains the negative initial reaction of the market to the result, trading anywhere from down 6-8% this morniing.

Of course, currency headwinds can also turn to tailwinds, and SP of this growth stock has been stifled in the higher interest rate environment. During FY24 and FY25 as we potentially tip into the next phase of the macro cycle, we could indeed see the drag effect of these macro factors reverse and reinforce the underlying operational strength of the business. So there is a logic to being patient.

Based on my model, 3 yr earnings growth of 19% CAGR makes the current forward P/E 40 a bit steep for me to be adding any more, although I always ask the question when the market offers this mini-pullback opportunities.

I didn't make the investor call, but will scruitinize the transcript to see if there is anything else, although I doubt it as they are pretty careful in what goes in the release, and tend not to "freelance" in the Q&A.

Disc: Held in RL only

Solvetheriddle
Added one year ago

@mikebrisy completely missed that a call was on, i went straight to the model ! i will listen.. i tend to agree with your comments above. the fy24 guidance is 5% below me, but the fy23 fx is 8-9% (total), increased a bit again. due to a high USD, i tend to think CSL will get that back at some stage. i try and look at biz excluding fx moves if i can. imo there is an expectation for a return to the beat cycle for CSl and whenever that doesnt occur there is disappointment. there is underlying growth at an acceptable pace, imo. finally i think with the Vifor acq and the uncertainty of timing of the impact of plasma collections on prfotis has led to some difficulty in forecasting, unusual for CSL, which could be in the mix as well. my buy price is $280 for whats it is worth.

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Remorhaz
Added one year ago

For what little it's worth - for the five brokers that I can see released updates today post the CSL announcements ...

RBC Capital Markets: Outperform with PT $364

Morgan Stanley: Overweight PT $339 (yesterday) then revised to $325 in a further update today

Macquarie: Outperform PT $344

BoFA:

Goldman Sachs: Neutral $295


DISC: Held in RL

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mikebrisy
Added one year ago

GS is a downgrade from $314 to $295, a bit more than MS's.

Both seem about right to me. In my initial post this morning, I didn't correctly appreciate the FY24 margin impact. I read the headline being about currency, but the real issue is deeper. With so much cost denominated in USD and so much revenue in non-USD, and the impacts of inflation and sticky higher payments for plasma, it is a significant margin erosion impacting a year or two.

Market was right, I was wrong - directionally, But -7% might be a bit overdone.

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edgescape
Added one year ago

Thought I'd take time to summarise the call transcript here is a few points

  • Amortisation from Vifor acquisition probably tracking 50m more than forecast to around 140-160m (initially was forecasted to be $120m)
  • HEMGENIX from Vifor being commercialised in the next couple of weeks with first patient to be dosed and will limit the growth in amortization. But sees increasing comp from generics such as Sandoz that got approval recently for one of their drugs.
  • 50% of sales are now outside of US and growing into China and Japan. These saw the most impact from US FX movements followed by Euro, CHF and AUD.
  • Donor fees and labour costs rising. Some competition for donors. But CPL (Cost per litre of Plasma) is going down 15%-20%
  • Demand for products still strong


Some thoughts:

My concern with CSL has always been overpaying for the Vifor acquisition. When I saw the annual report for Vifor years ago, the revenues looked a bit "lumpy" at time of acqusition. Appears from the above CSL may have overpaid for Vifor and a rare slip-up from what seems to be a quality company.

And of course the competition and currency headwinds seem worse than anticipated now with majority of sales outside of US which also means spending costs to those countries as well.

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Remorhaz
Added one year ago

Morningstar published an update this morning following CSL's update, broker downgrades and share price dip ... Unsure if it's only available to premium or not so ...

Does the CSL selloff present a rare opportunity for investors?


Shares in the ASX giant were sold off on Wednesday as currency headwinds weigh on CSL's near-term margin recovery, but we believe the long-term recovery is intact.

CSL at a glance: 

  • Fair value estimate: $315
  • Morningstar rating: 3 stars
  • Morningstar uncertainty rating: Medium
  • Morningstar economic moat rating: Narrow


We maintain our AUD $315 fair value estimate for narrow-moat CSL following a trading update

CSL now expects a foreign currency headwind in fiscal 2023 of USD $230 million-USD $250 million versus previous guidance of USD $175 million

We decrease our fiscal 2023 underlying net profit after tax forecast by just 1% to USD $2.3 billion. However, we decrease our underlying NPAT forecasts over the next three years by an average of 7%. This is largely due to unfavourable currency movements protracting CSL’s margin recovery

Shares in CSL closed down almost 7% on Wednesday to $287.25

Our $315 fair value estimate is based on an Australian dollar/US dollar exchange rate of $0.68 and a forecast five-year revenue growth CAGR of 14.9% and slight margin expansion, resulting in an adjusted five-year EPS CAGR of 15.4%

Our forecast includes five-year immunoglobulin market growth of 9% and CSL's share of the market increasing to 33% from 30% over this period as it benefits from its investment in physical capacity and exclusivity from Hizentra in the US until fiscal 2025

We anticipate the Seqirus vaccine business to grow at a 5% revenue CAGR over the next five years. The pandemic has buoyed the uptake of influenza vaccination and we expect this to largely continue

Haemophilia is currently the most competitive market in which CSL operates and we forecast very limited growth based on Roche’s successful launch of Hemlibra, which requires less frequent dosing than existing CSL or competitor products. The newly acquired haemophilia B gene therapy candidate is expected to launch in fiscal 2024

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mikebrisy
Added one year ago

So we've seen 9-10% knocked off in 2 days, with volumes of 2.5m and 2.3m and a slew of price target downgrades.

On the face of it, this seems over-done, if the margin contraction delay is 6-12m only. However, the price was running up on expecations of a breakout for reasons discussed earlier, and so the market was expecting good news and has been negatively surprised. That sounds like the perfect ingredients for an over-reaction.

On a historical basis, however, the p/e at 38.8 is still quite high (such was the expectation that's been built up after a period of historically modest earnings growth.)

I am potentially interested in adding another 10-20% to my position, but I think I will wait to see if there is further downside on the price. Again, historically, $CSL tends to have reasonable volatility so it would be nice to pick up more around $250 - $270. By the looks of it, there are no obvious catalysts for a positive surprise at the next report, so that offers an 8 month window,.... thinking out loud.

Turning the ship on margins might not be straightforward, so even if I miss the boat this week, other opportunities might arise. I've found patience to be a virtue with $CSL.

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edgescape
Added one year ago

Personally I'm waiting for CSL to hit the Vifor placement price of 273.

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Jimmy
Added one year ago

I've paused for now but have been previously buying whenever under $280.00 but as with @mikebrisy I see no reason to rush in for more right now but rather simply wait and watch for the time being.

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