Forum Topics PNV PNV FY23 Results

Pinned straw:

Added one year ago

$PNV reported their FY23 results, and before heading into the David and Swami show, I am reporting my quick take.

Top line: strong revenue growth slightly ahead of market expectations at +59% (alebit behind my model), but with a significant expansion in costs, with total expenses up +66% largely driven by expanding the sales force into new markets. This drove an increased net loss of A$4.93m (FY22 A$1.19m), which they go on to say is essentially flat after adjustments (departed executives ... the gift that keeps on giving).


Their Highlights

  • Total revenue including BARDA of A$66.5m up 58.8% on prior year of A$41.9m
  • Strong growth in U.S. achieving sales of A$46.1m up 44.6% on prior year of A$31.9m
  • ROW sales of A$13.5m up by 133.9% on prior year A$5.8m
  • The Group recorded a net loss after tax of A$4.93m (2022: $1.19m loss).
  • The loss in the prior year FY22 included the reversal of A$4.7m in share-based payments from the forfeiture by the previous CEO and COO on their resignations. The underlying net loss after tax excluding non-cash items is A$2.32m (2022: $2.00m loss). At year end the business had A$46.8m cash on hand.
  • Excellent sales growth can be explained by the genius technology that is NovoSorb BTM and NovoSorb MTX, and by an increased sales force and geographical expansion. However unprompted surgeon engagement around the world in trialing the product, and publishing and presenting their results and developing new uses for the product has been amazing.


The Company’s other key initiatives and achievements include:

  • First $7 million sales month in May 2023 (May 2022: $3.3 million), Total Revenue $8.3m in May 2023
  • $53m capital raising
  • 510(k) clearance from the FDA for NovoSorb MTX and saw first sales to plastics and reconstruction
  • Entered Hong Kong, India, and Canada markets and saw early sales
  • Grew the U.S. team from 54 to 93 and increased U.S. customer accounts from 189 to 299 hospitals
  • In our direct markets including the U.S., we increased our customer accounts from 470 to 638
  • Increased staff worldwide from 152 to 218
  • Enrolled 64 patients into the U.S. BARDA pivotal burns study (53%)
  • Enrolled 25 patients into the U.S. DFU Chronic Wound study for health insurance reimbursement (18%)
  • Enrolled 35 patients into the chronic wound study with Flinders University South Australia (55%)
  • Leased an adjacent property in Port Melbourne to significantly increase manufacturing capacity
  • Awarded Victorian Government grant for manufacturing Diabetic Foot Ulcer product (NovoSorb SynPath)


My Analysis

With a strong cash position post the capital raising late last year, $PNV are making good on their investment in sales and marking to accelerate sales.

So, the 43% expansion in headcount (surely, mostly in sales and marketing) is hardly unexpected, and is their fastest expansion for a while. And given that we know it takes up to a year for a new sales and marketing employee to break even, such a scale of investment comes at a necessary cost.

Cash is still being burned. A total of -$8.3m (including leases) which is up from -$2.4m in FY22 (where I am excluding the benfit of the sale of the Melbourne property). With $47m in the bank, the rate of burn is not a concern, although the major spend in the new manufacturing facilities is still to ramp up – so we should expect to see significantly more capital investment in FY24.

Global hospital accounts at 638 are up 35%, and of course new accounts are a leading indicator of the sales growth to follow.

In both the report and the presentation, prominence if being given to the number and breadth of publications demonstrating the expanding clinical applications physicians are finding. And those of us on the DW mailing list have seen the benefits being report. So, another leading indicator of future growth.

The presentation is light on detail in terms of market progress. We can see that US Novosorb sales grew 44.6% (although only 34.0% in USD) and RoW sales reached $13.4m up 133.9%.

On sales, the US constant currency rate is slower that I expected, so it will interesting to hear how this is characterised on the call this afternoon. (There is no evidence of a boost from Integra’s recall of Surgimend.) With US accounts expanding by 58% to 299 from 189, and existing accounts expected to grow sales, the US sales growth number is a bit soft in my view.

RoW is starting to become more material, and this is a key number to watch in the future. Several of these markets including Canada, Hong Kong and India only started during FY23, with several only really getting going in H2. Of course, this is where a lot of the sales and marketing expansion has been, so it is not surprising.

I’ll leave it at that ahead of the call.


My Key Takeaways

Overall, there is something in the result for every thesis. Bears more focused on the short term will point to increased cash burn, rising costs and slowing US Sales. The bulls will point to expanding market footprint with strong RoW becoming material, new accounts, top line growth, and growing positive clinical evidence.

I remain in the bull camp based on this report. But I can see a stronger focus on revenue growth pushing the cash generation profile backwards, and so there is nothing in this report for me to upgrade my valuation. If anything, the upper part of my range is scaling back. But that’s for later in the year.

Based on this result, I am a solid hold. But I want to learn more about US progress, as I am sure others on the call will too.

Disc: Held in RL (4.3%) and SM

Parko5
Added one year ago

Agree with everything said above.

In my staffing/revenue model I had 220 staff! Close! Out by 2. 

There was a lot of information/snippets on the geographic expansion, sales staff, margins, costs etc. It will take me some time, but I’ll update my models and present the output. Surf is pumping….so it may be next week. :-)

I am looking forward to seeing the short sold numbers for yesterday with the SP drop. At least I hope it was the shorts. 

Im interested to see what the members on here think about PNV in say 3-5 years. Do we think they will pivot from max-growth to slower grow and start acquisitions…with all the cash….or start paying dividends? 


Parko

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mikebrisy
Added one year ago

Three significant insights from the call.

  1. Strong RoW wasn’t new markets but UK (+164%) and Ger (+189%). I think those numbers are right, I’ll have to check my recording but I’m on the road now.
  2. New markets (esp. India) still largely in start up mode and expect to see the kicker from these in H2.
  3. Integra recall not having much impact in US. This is because Swami believes that BTM is already ahead of Primatrix, the main impacted competitor product, and Surgimend (which has had the main recall impact) does let compete with $PNV.


CFO Jan committed to profit in FY24 with a strong 4th Q, with FY25 to be the stand out year for profit. This is what they said at the capital raise and he is sticking to it. Good.

Breast and hernia long term … still playing with product options … consistent with what Swami has said when he came in. He bears the burden of poor earlier expectation setting. New medical products take time … lots of it.

Looks like the initial market response is based on superficial view of the financials.

I don’t expect to see much change in the broker valuations. Some of the higher vals might nudge down a bit. Let’s see.

Happy with the result, very happy with UK/Ger, less happy with US.

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lankypom
Added one year ago

I didn't really learn anything new from the David and Swami show this afternoon, but for what it's worth these the notes I took:

  • ‘Multiple papers at every conference on Polynovo’
  • Surgeons finding many novel applications for BTM, taking PNV into new markets
  • Employees 152 > 218
  • Customers (hospitals) 470 > 638
  • Revenue $41.9m > $66.5m (58.8%)
  • US sales up 44.6% to $46.1m
  • ROW sales up 133.9% to $13.4m (UK, Germany, Canada, India, Hong Kong)
  • Market leaders in UK and Germany
  • Opex +48.9%
  • Small loss (by choice) of $2.3m
  • Employee expenses +51%
  • R&D spend +29.3%
  • Corp/admin expenses +68%
  • Committed to capital efficient growth and scaling
  • Analysts’ questions
  • What is the exit run rate?
  • Still lumpy, $6m to $8m / month
  • $95-$100m annual revenue is probably realistic (but not a target)
  • ’Your guess is as good as mine’
  • ‘Will be consistently upward driven’
  • When will we see profit?
  • Expect FY24 to be profitable, as stated at capital raise
  • FY25 will be standout year
  • Bigger prize is to expand the geographical base
  • ‘We can be profitable now if we want to’
  • What will headcount growth look like in FY24?
  • Will continue to invest in sales staff as they quickly pay for themselves, particularly in US and India
  • A small handful of senior positions may also be recruited (legal, HR)
  • Gross margins?
  • Very high in US compared to other markets
  • Growth in ROW will dilute overall margins
  • Expect 93%-95% range
  • Progress in India
  • Launched in April
  • Primary route to market is public sector tenders
  • Expect big spike in sales once tenders are awarded
  • Current sales are small scale trials in private practice
  • Trials will take longer than expected (1.5-2 years) to bear fruit
  • Even at half the selling price of US, margins will be 80% +
  • US growth dynamics / Integra recall
  • 28 hired in US since capital raise
  • Now team of 70 is well established, don’t expect significant headcount increase
  • Positive signs of account penetration / repeat business
  • Existing accounts, existing surgeons
  • Existing accounts, new surgeons
  • New accounts
  • Price increases not related to Integra recall
  • No significant sales uplift as a direct result of Integra recall
  • Hernia and Breast product?
  • Will continue to invest
  • Will take longer to bring to market than previously stated
  • How are sales tracking this quarter?
  • Good start to year because of increase in burns
  • Did better than budget in July
  • Future growth potential
  • European surgeons, novel applications
  • BARDA trial
  • Currently recruiting 4-5 patients/month
  • Approval to take trial to India, with increased patient recruitment
  • Aspiration to complete trial by fiscal 2024
  • Will there be another capital raise?
  • No
  • What is the China strategy?
  • Will work with a partner
  • Closer in Japan to regulatory approval
  • Will there be a need for a manufacturing facility outside Australia?
  • No, not for several years even at 60% growth/year
  • Local manufacturing expansion will support annual sales of $500m
  • Diabetic Foot Ulcer trial progress
  • Change of trial protocol after first 25 patients means completion date is extended


David repeatedly used the phrase ‘baby steps’ to describe the slow and steady progress of the company. They clearly have all sorts of opportunities in front of them and they are being very focussed on not trying to grasp them all at once. It sounds like the Diabetic Foot Ulcer trial, which is evaluating a Novosorb variant called SynPath, and which started a year ago, still has no clear end date, despite it representing a $9 billion market in the US alone. The same goes for the development of specific hernia and breast products. Syntrel, the hernia product, was announced 2 years ago. At the time the company said “We anticipate filing the Syntrel dossier with the US FDA for a 510(k) submission in circa March 2023 and gaining approval to sell in the US by August 2023.” Yet today the product was barely mentioned and there is no news on when it might be commercialised.

Overall, the company is clearly on a very healthy growth trajectory and is being very responsible in managing its costs to sustain this level of growth.



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west
Added one year ago

great summary @mikebrisy @lankypom

The interesting one for me was the public tendering in India and how confident swami was. he was a looking at a "bump" in Q1 i think if they are successful.

The other one was that US still remains there largest growth engine and with the highest margin. (still the reason I got so bullish is davids explanation of the gross margin story (cost $40 and sells for $950 US!)

Also that they increased pricing with no real effect on revenue.

Disc Held

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mikebrisy
Added one year ago

@west yeah, but I wasn’t sure if he meant Q1FY or Q1CY as I have heard him mix them before.

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