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Pinned straw:

Added 2 years ago

In todays AFR:

Nick Scali founder cashes out $50m via UBS


Expect only the finest in Christmas presents this year from Anthony Scali, the founder and CEO of ASX-listed furniture retailer Nick Scali

Street Talk understands UBS has underwritten a sale of $50 million worth of shares on Scali’s behalf, in his first selldown in nearly five years

The parcel of 4.6 million shares represented 5.7 per cent of issued capital. The trade was underwritten at $11 – or a 5.3 per cent discount to last close

Scali last sold shares in the company in 2018 at $7 apiece. He would be still its largest investor with 8 per cent ownership

It comes after the company posted record revenue – $507.7 million, up 15.1 per cent – as well as after-tax profits – $101.1 million, up 34.9 per cent – for the 2023 financial year. Its shares have risen 24 per cent over the past 12 months, and the latest trading update showed a slowdown in orders but was better than consensus expectations

It listed at $1 a share for an $81 million market capitalisation in April 2004. The company was capitalised at $948 million on the ASX as of Wednesday’s close


DISC: Held in SM & RL

Karmast
Added 7 months ago

News out yesterday that CFO Sheila Lines is resigning to become a DIrector elsewhere and will be replaced in 6 weeks time by a new CFO Kylie Archer, who is currently with a private construction company.

I have followed NCK closely for the last few years but don't presently own it.

I'd characterize my views now as it being priced for perfection with the UK expansion. If all goes really well you probably do OK at the current valuation. But any surprises or missteps and the price could come down to past PE lows.

What also worries me is that there could be some accounting issues at play here. The previous CFO that Shelia replaced, left with one days notice. She is leaving after the less than 3 years in the job. She was not particularly chatty or willing to engage, when I tried to discuss a few things with her. The incoming CFO has lots of 2 or 3 years jobs on her resume.

In addition, when I queried the previous auditor at the AGM a few years ago about why leases weren't listed as a key audit matter like most other retailers do, they gave a nothing answer. One of the current Director's used to be the audit signing partner for them.

And last but not least the Chair has been there far too long and struggled to run an AGM a couple of years ago. My suspicion is he is not actively applying a magnifying glass to Anthony Scali or the accounts...but I could be wrong of course. He was supposed to have been stepping down for a new Chair but nothing seems to have happened so far.

So, this is all a "smell" but not hard evidence. I'd be concerned if I still owned shares and definitely watching this closely and ideally looking hard at the accounts this year and asking some probing questions at the AGM...

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thetjs
Added 7 months ago

Kylie is coming over from Robert’s Co. Who have recently exited the VIC market after burning money in two at risk projects which they swooped in on when the previous builder went under and have also sold out, nationally, to an overseas investor.


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Solvetheriddle
Added 7 months ago

@Karmast , all points are worth considering, especially with the UK adventure underway. My base case for publicly traded but essentially private family companies is that they are stingy payers, and after some experience, the executives move on. Of course, that's a generalisation.

although I hold this one, the current pricing is tight, depending on the achievements in the UK as the swing factor.

i am interested in what context you approached the CFO


all the best

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Karmast
Added 7 months ago

Yes @Solvetheriddle it could be that Anthony works his execs really hard and burns them out. That said I'd have thought he'd be better off with a reasonable transition period than none, when it comes to CFO's.

I approached them to come and talk with current and prospective retail shareholders a few times. They have no IR person. So you have to go through the CFO. One of the groups I am part of is collectively a top 10 shareholder of NCK. It was clear they had no interest unless you are maybe a major institution.

That's fine but I was happy to move my money elsewhere where it's more appreciated.


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Solvetheriddle
Added 7 months ago

Okay, thanks. I know the Teaminvest guys were upset at no or little allocation in the last issue. Many of these family public companies behave in unusual ways. Even when I was at major insto's, I still found many of them difficult to deal with. i think its mainly a cultural and cost thing but it could come to bite them if things go wrong.

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Solvetheriddle
Added 2 years ago

I agree with the general sentiment on this stream. there is , i suspect, a bit of building pressure as the family ages and calls on capital from various angles. i would be surprised if there is anything nefarious in this sell down. one point to keep in mind is that AS spoke on a podcast a few months ago where he was quite constructive on a UK entry. that would entail an issue and have to be funded by the family. maybe that is also in the back of his mind. just speculating. disc held

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Rick
Added 2 years ago

@Solvetheriddle I think you might be right about the UK expansion and the family needing to stump up being a possible reason for the sell down. Something I need to keep in mind too. I wouldn’t want to miss out on it, although participating will come with significant risks.

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Bear77
Added 2 years ago

Anthony Scali, the MD of NCK, is not the founder, he's the son of Nick Scali, who was the founder. And the Scali family have been reducing their position, as the business grows, last sale around 5 years ago I think. That is to be expected, and better to do it when the business is going really well than when it is struggling, both from their point of view and ours - I am a NCK shareholder IRL. I think ARB and NCK are the best run consumer discretionary companies on the ASX - and I hold both. Not too fussed about this. They still have plenty of shareholder alignment.

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GazD
Added 2 years ago

Agree,


just added to my position IRL. Even with the potential for short term pain a PE of 9.3 on a business of this quality seems like an opportunity. Especially based on director sales. I would sell too if I had that much cash invested.

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Rick
Added 2 years ago

I think the Scali family block trade announcement yesterday was a good opportunity to top up. Intraday lows were more than 10% lower at around $10.40. A bit extreme when you consider the block trade was underwritten by UBS at $11 per share. I’m not saying it will happen again, but the last time the family lightened off their holdings in 2018 at $7 per share, the shares went on to more than double within 3 years. The family still holds 8% of the business, so there’s still a lot of skin in the game.

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Disc: Held IRL (13%), SM (17%)

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RogueTrader
Added 7 months ago

Speaking of retail, Stock Take from Intelligent Investor is always worth reading/listening to, this week it's the retail sector: https://www.intelligentinvestor.com.au/investment-news/stock-take-the-retail-edition/154475


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