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Added one year ago
Justification

OK, my valuation of $1/share from only 3 months ago is now looking overly conservative -- or, as many have pointed out, the current market pricing is rather exuberant..

I'll leave the previous rationale below, but let's try a super optimistic valuation just to test how much growth is needed to justify the current price ($2.56)

Droneshield have said for a while that they have a FY2028 target of $300-$500m.

Let's assume they exceed the top end of that range and do $600m. Let's also assume the do a very healthy 15% net margin.

That gives a FY28 NPAT of $90m, which based on a fully diluted share count of 818.5m shares is an EPS of 11cps.

Now, if we wanted a 10%pa capital gain between now and the end of FY28 (remembering they report on a calendar year basis), we'd need the share price to be $3.93 at that point in time. And the company's market cap to be ~$3.2b.

If the EPS is 11c, then we need a FY28 PE of at least 35.

Yeah, all that is possible. But again, it rests on a 20% beat to the top end of already aggressive revenue targets, high net margins and a decent PE.

For context, the average net margin for the major listed military hardware companies is usually less than 10% (eg Raytheon and Lockheed are at ~10%, BAE Systems is 8%)

At present, these companies are all on a PE of less than 25 at present. Most less than 20. Ok, maybe they dont have the same growth potential as a much smaller company with a longer runway, but it is notable.

If, for contrast, we apply a 10% net margin and PE of 25 to our $600m FY28 revenue target for DRO, and then discount back by 10% per annum, we get a current valuation of $1.20 -- less than half the current price...

The point isn't to suggest these assumptions should be relied on -- maybe DRO is doing $700m in revenues at a 20% net margin in FY28! -- but it does show that we need to see a lot of things go right for the current price to make sense.

Remember too, we're only demanding a 10% compound annual return with these valuations. So the company absolutely knocks it out of the park and my return is essentially on par with the long run market average...

It's just not that appealing to me, and I think the only way you can rationalise a big position in DRO right now is if you expect some combination of significantly higher than forecast revenues & margins, and/or the market maintains a very high earnings multiple (which, btw, happens all the time -- but it's not something I like to reply on)

For the sake of drawing a line in the sand for my Strawman valuations, I'll go with FY28 revenues, margins and PE of $500m, 10% and 40 (respectively) to get a valuation of $1.60


OLD VALUATION FROM APRIL 2024

Time for an update on this 8 month old valuation. (41c previously, based on FY28 revenue of $300m, a 5% net margin and terminal multiple of 35)

As i said at the time, there's a rather wide range of trajectories here, but given recent wins, sales momentum and order book growth, I'm probably justified in baking in more optimistic assumptions.

I'll take the mid-point of their FY target of $400m in sales. Last year they were already on an underlying net margin of 5.7% (once you take away R&D incentives and tax deferred tax benefit), so at scale this should improve. For the sake of conservatism i'll go with 7.5% to get a FY28 NPAT of $30m.

Given the implied growth, a terminal earnings multiple of 30 doesn't seem outrageous, and that gives us a market cap of $900m, or $1.32/share.

Discounting back to today, at a 10% discount rate, and remembering they operate on a calendar year basis, that's a valuation of 82c. Exactly double the old valuation!

For the sake of argument, if Droneshield hits the top of their revenue target ($500m) and did a 10% net margin, you'd get a valuation of $1.37 with everything else held steady.

Or $400m in revenue and a 10% net margin and a PE of 35 gets you $1.27.

As you can see, and is often the case fort high-growth companies, it's rather easy to produce a valuation you want without tweaking things too aggressively.

As someone who very much prefers the "roughly right" approach to valuation, what it really boils down to for me is that Droneshield is probably somewhere around 'fair value' IF you have any confidence in their medium term revenue aspirations, and that they can operate at a reasonable margin.

Of course, a major acquisition or a single large deal could change everything very quickly. But so long as we continue to see genuine progress in orders, sales, earnings and cash flows, it's a "hold" for me at the current price ($1.10), and i'll nominate a nice round $1 valuation as my current best guess of fair value.

NewyRookie
Added one year ago

Is there anyway non DRO holders can mute all related posts?? ;)

Joking of course, congrats to all those who have done exceptionally well!!

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neke86_
Added one year ago

Always love a good expectations-based valuation! That it comes to only $1.60 with such exuberant assumptions is eye opening.

Next stop? $4.00.

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stevegreenycom
Added one year ago

If I am reading things correctly, DRO is the most popular stock in the strawman community. Yet the average intrinsic value assigned by members is about half the level of the current share price.

Does that mean we as a group are simply a bunch of momentum traders with no regard to valuation?

Not that there is anything wrong with that! :)

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mikebrisy
Added one year ago

If that's true @stevegreenycom, they need to sit up and take notice!

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Strawman
Added one year ago

Ha, maybe I should sell first and then post... ;)

Actually @stevegreenycom you raise a really good point. And it's something that I do think about a lot.

So the background here is the way we determine company rankings. The system adds up the value of all Premium member positions in their Strawman portfolios, and determines the rank off of that. So it's not the number of people that hold a given share, but the aggregate amount held across all portfolio.

So when a stock shoots to the moon, as DRO has done, that aggregate value likewise jumps higher and the company shoots up the rankings -- without anyone buying or selling.

Conceptually, I like this because it should reflect the conviction across the community -- the fact is, as a group, we hold more DRO than anything else. Which infers that, as a group, we think it has the best risk-adjusted return potential. And it accounts for small watching and speculative positions people may have in the portfolios (eg a lot of us may hold a given share, but only a tiny amount)

But in reality, not everyone re-weights as judiciously as they might in their real life portfolios. It's easier to "let it ride" when its all play money I guess. Plus you get a few people that are inactive, or just havent got around to managing their SM portfolio for while. So you can get a big disconnect between the value people ascribe, and their actual portfolio weightings.

We saw this with things like RFT and BRN in the past. And the problem is that when they crash lower from the peak, we get an outsized drag on the SM index.

We've tried things like ignoring user profiles that have been inactive for a while, but that can really throw things around when someone logs in again. Besides, if people are genuinely inactive they wont renew their membership and we will no longer include their portfolios anyway.. So it's a bit tricky. Besides, once a methodology is set in motion, i'm very reluctant to move the goal posts just to try and manage group returns.

So I'm not encouraging anyone to buy or sell anything, but I would suggest everyone keep an eye on their weightings -- mainly for their own sake and that of your future returns. But it will also help avoid this "weighting-creep" phenomenon.

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Metis
Added one year ago

Thanks @Strawman for a nice little voice of reason. You prompted the question for me. Can my money in this stock be better spent elsewhere over the next 4 years? Based around the current price. I came up with a yes. So hence sold the rest of my real life at 2.52. it’s odd that this stock is by far the biggest win of my investing life(in amount). I would have never guessed. It will be a lesson to reflect on the emotional roller coaster. I’m not a day trader, but this stock gave me those seductive emotions.

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Saiton
Added one year ago

@stevegreenycom well in the end its the market participants that drive the market not the company’s, without us there would be no market, so yep ride the market however you can using what ever means you can :). Yeah well done to those that have still held.

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NewbieHK
Added one year ago

Like a crypto shake. Couldn’t resist a little short term play. Thanks @Strawman. Either it’s dinner out or left overs tonight ;)

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stevegreenycom
Added one year ago

Interesting post @Strawman , I had not paid much thought into the mechanics of how that strawman portfolio is worked out, but that does explain a bit how some trending stocks can easily quickly get to large weights there.

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NewbieHK
Added one year ago

Left overs out of the fridge and defrosting…ha ha ha

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Saiton
Added one year ago

Oh god you made me laugh, although would you believe i just bought $1k. this could be fun

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Strawman
Added one year ago

Still a few hours of trade @NewbieHK -- it could still be lobster for dinner!

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NewbieHK
Added one year ago

@Strawman The way it’s going it will be anchovies ????. @Saiton that was my buy as well. I might be waiting a while for that trade to get back into the green.

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Arizona
Added one year ago

@Strawman thanks for diving into the ranking mechanics there.

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Saiton
Added one year ago

No I actually dont think it will take that long. I just posted a more elaborate chart for you to have a look see.

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Saiton
Added one year ago

Oh crap I cant concentrate laughing so much

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mushroompanda
Added one year ago

@Strawman. I didn't know it worked like that. That's pretty cool!

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