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Pinned straw:

Added 4 months ago

Pexa is an interesting company, I started my initial research and documented the current situation: https://www.growthgauge.com.au/p/pexas-asx-pxa-strategic-position

Will do follow up after FY24 result.

lowway
Added 2 months ago

Seems like a decent price jump since Pexa announced the resignation of current CEO Glenn King, in the vicinity of 10%.

I can't see anything else that is price sensitive in dispatches or media so far, other than Glenn King steadily selling off his 0.6% holding in $PXA.

Any other opinions on this recent spurt upwards?


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lankypom
Added 4 months ago

I did a deep dive on Pexa 3 years ago and didn't particularly like what I found. In the spirit of sharing, here it is. (With acknowledgement to AFR)


What does Pexa do?


PEXA (Property Exchange Australia Ltd.) is an Electronic Lodgment Network Operator (ELNO). ELNOs provide the means for transacting parties or their representatives to do away with the manual, labour- and paper- intensive property conveyancing process. The national electronic conveyancing system in Australia  is a world first and allows legal practitioners, conveyancers and financial institutions to electronically prepare and lodge land property dealings with title registries. Practitioners and financial institutions can also transmit settlement funds and pay associated duties and tax, removing the need to physically attend property settlements.


ELNOs are approved by the registrar in each state and territory to operate in that jurisdiction.


The e-conveyancing market has annual revenue of $270 million in Australia, and PEXA has an 80% share of this market. It is in a near monopoly position (but that is about to change).

Transaction revenues are expected to increase in mid-single digits each year.


The core product is PEXA Exchange.

“The majority of land transactions in Australia now occur on the PEXA Exchange”.

“COVID-19 has brought renewed focus and urgency to the digitisation of property settlements”.


PEXA Exchange is integrated with the State Revenue Office and Land Registry in each state, and also with the RBA. It is used by 9400+ practitioners and 160+ financial institutions. Doubtless in recognition that the Australian market growth is going to be anaemic going forward, and that competition may start to steal market share, PEXA is developing a new product to support property settlement in international markets, starting with the UK. This will require integration with the Land Registry and the Bank of England, as well as onboarding UK financial institutions, so it will probably be 2023 before PEXA is able to tick all the boxes with these government agencies and start earning revenue. The UK market is three times as big as Australia, so to build a business the same size as the Australian exchange PEXA would only need to capture a third of the market share. By its own admission, PEXA doesn’t expect to start building significant transaction volumes in the UK until 2024.


PEXA has 350+ employees across Australia and the UK.


History and ownership


PEXA was established in 2010 after a COAG meeting of state governments and territories pledged to move from paper-based property settlements to an electronic system. PEXA entered development in 2011 (assisted by Accenture) and processed its first full property settlement in partnership with the Commonwealth Bank in 2014. Electronic settlement became so successful that by 2018 all states made the use of PEXA Exchange compulsory for conveyancers and lawyers.

 

PEXA joined the ASX on 1st July 2021 after an IPO which raised $1.174 billion at a price of $17.13 per share. Prior to this the ownership was split between Morgan Stanley Infrastructure, Link and CBA.

In the IPO, CBA increased its stake to 24% ownership, Link reduced its ownership from 44% to 42.8%, and Morgan Stanley sold out altogether.


Where does the revenue come from?

The primary revenue source is from land and property sales (81%), followed by property refinancing (13%). PEXA earns an average of $66 per transaction, and incurs a cost of $9 per transaction (mostly for fees paid to state land registries), resulting in a gross margin of 87%. Although PEXA offers a variety of other tools and apps to enable participants in property transactions to track progress, these seem to be part of the overall value proposition and do not attract additional revenues.


What about the management?


The PEXA CEO is former National Australia Bank executive Glenn King. He joined PEXA 2 years ago, after 7 years as a senior public servant in the NSW government. The COO Simon Smith joined a year later - he worked for 24 years in the NSW government so doubtless was well known to Glenn King. Richard Moore joined as CFO a few months after Simon Smith, and was previously CFO at MYOB. The new chairperson Mark Joiner joined in May this year, and also has a background working for NAB. James Ruddock the Chief Product & Digital Experience Officer is an old hand having been with PEXA for 9 years. John Natsioulas the GM of Technology is also an old hand of nearly 8 years, and has a background in performance testing rather than software development. There used to be a CTO but that position seems to have been retired.


Competition and interoperability


Sympli, jointly owned by stock exchange operator ASX Ltd and Infotrack, is the most advanced rival to PEXA. However, although it has been approved as an ELNO it is still in a pilot phase.


PEXA has had a multi-year headstart on competition and currently offers the best functionality and customer experience. This is evident from its Net promoter score of +55 and brand trust score of 8.7 – both industry-leading. Additionally, the company is able to process more transfers than any other competitor.


However the days of this monopolistic position appear to be numbered, with pressure from industry bodies and the ACCC to allow multiple ELNOs to interoperate, so that a buyer’s conveyancer might use PEXA for example whilst the seller’s conveyancer might use Sympli. This is not possible today.


PEXA now appear to be vocal supporters of interoperability, on the basis that what is good for the industry is good for them. However 3 years ago in a different political environment the company was still fighting hard to preserve its monopoly:

" We doubt it will be feasible or efficient for consumers to complete transactions across more than one ELNO, and there would be many practical and legal obstacles that would be extremely difficult to overcome.  The legal framework governing ELNOs, the liability models in place, and the critical security requirements for the $7 trillion residential property assets nationally, are not compatible with this approach."


The target for implementation of the interoperability model is the end of 2021, but it seems like most observers expect it to be the end of 2022 before other ELNOs can operate on a level playing field with PEXA.


Rather astutely, PEXA has used it's experience as the dominant ELNO to propose how the interoperability model should work, and this proposal has been signed off by state and federal governments. In this model PEXA retains a key role as a hub which controls the exchange of data with state records offices, financial institutions and the RBA.


Financials


2021 results:

Revenue $221m (+42%)

EBITDA $102m (+124%)

NPAT -$12m (+600%)

Adjusted loss $5m

3.3m property transactions (+37%)


After taking into account research & development expenses, free cash flow (FCF) is $85m.


The large difference between EBITDA and NPAT seems to be due mostly due to repayment of some shareholder loans ($36m) and amortisation of ‘acquired intangibles’ ($57m).


General and Administration is the largest cost item at $53m (+43%), followed by product development at $24.5m (+13%) and sales and marketing at $20m (-10%). 


Revenue forecast for FY22 is $247m (+12%) - this seems to be very conservative given revenue growth of 42% in FY21. EBITDA forecast is $108m (+6%) and NPAT forecast is  -$2.5m.


Growth Drivers


There are three growth drivers called out by the company:

>Expansion into other markets (with the UK - England and Wales - being the first cab off the rank);

>Providing data insights - developing products and services to generate data insights for real estate agents, conveyancers, vendors and home buyers;

>Incubating new ‘digital property products and services’.


The latter two sound rather fanciful - expansion of the core property exchange platform into new markets is the most likely source of growth in the medium term (2-3 years).



Risks

>Perhaps the biggest risk is that once interoperability becomes a reality,  Sympli will steal market share by undercutting PEXA. Sympli claims their pricing is ‘15% to 50%’ lower than other ELNOs - and PEXA is the only other ELNO. However, the fees charged to use an e-conveyancing platform are paid by real estate buyers and sellers rather than the firms which choose and use the platform on their behalf. This means price-based competition is unlikely to impact the choice of platform. Australia’s largest mortgage provider, the Commonwealth Bank, is PEXA’s second largest investor with a 24 per cent stake and is unlikely to defect from its platform.

>Expansion into the UK could fail to deliver profits. It requires substantial uptake of e-conveyancing in the UK, where it is not mandated by the government, and previous attempts to introduce a digital property exchange in the UK have failed, twice. When the Land Registry piloted an e-conveyancing platform in 2006, for example, it eventually dropped the scheme after failing to get enough take-up. The Law Society had a go in 2015, but its scheme foundered too.

>PEXA appears to be a technology company, but is it really? The Exchange platform was developed with the help of Accenture, and the international platform is being built with the help of ThoughtWorks in the UK . It sounds like there isn't a strong development capability in-house. 

>There seems to have been a clear out of senior management leading up to the IPO, and I find the fact that the CEO, COO and chair all have form with NAB a bit disconcerting. NAB are well known for their disastrous foray into the UK.


Comparables


ASX would seem to be the most similar company to PEXA on the ASX.

PXA Enterprise value $3.15b, revenue $221m, EV/revenue 14.25

ASX Enterprise value $10b, revenue $962m, EV/revenue 10.4


Conclusion

PEXA needs to be a technology innovator to experience significant growth, and it just doesn’t feel like it is one to me. I expect the share price to go nowhere for 2-3 years, and there are no dividends in sight either, so I won’t be adding it to my RL or SM portfolio.

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Valueinvestor0909
Added 4 months ago

Thank you @lankypom for sharing it.

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Arizona
Added 4 months ago

@lankypom Thank you for sharing your knowledge here.

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Arizona
Added 4 months ago

@Valueinvestor0909 PXA seems on the surface like a company with a great and easy to understand idea, to me.

The in roads into the UK market make sense from a macro view point. There is an antiquated system in the UK that is ripe for disruption.

However just because it should or could change doesn't mean it will be easy or fast.

The Uk has long standing systems and traditions and change isn't their strong point.

It occurs to me that there must be those who benefit from the system as it is currently.

I like the idea and am watching closely.

Thanks @Valueinvestor0909

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Rick
Added 4 months ago

@Arizona, like you I like Plexa as an idea, a disrupter in a antiquated system that desperately needs new technology. I’ve been watching the financials ever since it was part of Link waiting for things to turn around but the bottom line has only got worse. I’m guessing this is due to investment into expansion. Last time we sold a property we settled with Pexa. There’s a cost to it but the funds are deposited in your bank account on settlement. I like the technology, perhaps it’s just a bit ahead of its time and in a few years we could be looking at the beginnings of another REA? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t rule it out.

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Rick
Added 4 months ago

Oh!…and thanks for the great write up @Valueinvestor0909!

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Arizona
Added 4 months ago

@Rick Great to hear of someone using Pexa.

A while back, the block chain was going to take care of these sort of contracts.

I don't know if that is still on the cards and would make PXA redundant.

Streamlining these processes is surely the way to go.

Who wins and what systems take us there is yet to be revealed.

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Arizona
Added 4 months ago

@Rick Great to hear of someone using Pexa.

A while back, the block chain was going to take care of these sort of contracts.

I don't know if that is still on the cards and would make PXA redundant.

Streamlining these processes is surely the way to go.

Who wins and what systems take us there is yet to be revealed.

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Solvetheriddle
Added 4 months ago

@Rick note the accounting with PXA is quite confusing, due to the separation from LNK at FV. There is an enormous amortisation charge which is accounting nonsense, I say that as an accountant. imo. i hold this at a modest weight, the management has been poor i have low regard for the CEO and Chair, they finally got rid of the CFO. the new guy in the Uk appears promising, and we are seeing some progress there, at last.....the new CFO looks promising as well. the last guy frittered away $ like a kid in a candy shop...imo. the bull case is two monopolies arise with Canada potentially next.

its a natural monopoly, imo, if it pulls off the Uk (still a reasonable if but getting a little more certain) it is worth a lot more. imo

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Rick
Added 4 months ago

Interesting @Solvetheriddle. I just did a quick search on the history of Pexa and found this https://www.pexa-group.com/about/history/. It’s worth a read if you are interested in the business. It seems everything is moving in the right direction at a steady pace and the business could be a 10 year overnight success! It’s a bit like trying to turn a big ship…or the gestation of an elephant! :)

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Arizona
Added 4 months ago

@Rick That timeline/history you attached is a great overview. Simple easy to read and understand. Even I could do it.

That 16 or so year development period must give the company a certain moats compared to someone starting out now and trying to compete.

@SolvetheriddleBeing a holder, would you agree with @Rick that the poor performance at the bottom line is perhaps due to the companies investing into its expansion?

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Solvetheriddle
Added 4 months ago

@Arizona basically all free cashflows are being invested. two areas, one trying to replicate the Australian model in the UK. For several reasons, one being the lack of government support for the idea, the UK will be tougher. The recent signings are very encouraging. it has taken a long time to get there. the other investment area is various online data analytics, it can be looked at as increasing the breadth of products offered. a bit like what CAR and REA do. the success here has been... well there hasn't been any so far. I understand what they are trying to do, but Management is not proven and one hurdle at a time would be my preference. the core Oz business is in a very strong position IMO. the bearish case for me is the management continues to pxxx the FCF up against the wall and that continues indefinitely, which wont happen

i basically see failure in the UK as a circa $10-12 share price and success as a lot higher. could be wrong as always, I've followed this now for a while since it was the jewel inside LNK.

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Arizona
Added 4 months ago

@Solvetheriddle Great to get your take on this one. I have only been looking at this for the last few months and have a lot to learn. Thank you

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lowway
Added 4 months ago

@Solvetheriddle I align and completely agree with your share price predications re: with and without UK success. I've fallen into PEXA in my old portfolio after having Link (the old $LNK) for many years before they sold a portion off (the superfund platform stuff mainly) and kept PEXA in its own right. The original deal from Canadian company Dye & Durham looked great when it first came along in 2021 but fell over after they found a way to pull out when the share price tanked after COVID-19 and LNK had major regulatory issues and fines levied at them in the UK.

Like @Rick we sold a property using PEXA in late 2021 with the additional cost on conveyancing being ~$120 or <0.01% of the sale price. To have the funds almost real-time transferred on settlement day seems like a no brainer for this cost and I haven't heard of anyone buying or selling that doesn't automatically have this charge applied by their conveyancer. It saves time, money & effort on settlement day for the legal teams, buyers, sellers and banks and has now plugged the original hacks that saw some settlement funds transferred to nefarious individuals (yes in the first few months things went a little haywire!!).

I'm not so sure there is potential for expansion in Canada, at least not in the regions now overtaken by Dye & Durham using a similarly styled property and contract e-settlement software system. They began by slowly creating market share in ONT, Canada before hiking the price once they had dominance and getting a lot of pushback from the public, etc. Therefore, I would think the Canadian audience would be happy for a cheaper competitor, but doubt Dye & Durham would roll over easily IMO.

Like most have said, I don't have a great love for the management team and agree with all of the sentiments expressed in these straws but have simply ignored that for a few years and stuck these shares in the bottom draw hoping a UK breakthrough would make this pain go away and for some of the management to be replaced by more competent candidates over time. A pretty crap strategy I know, but it has let me focus on other more pressing investment issues and opportunities and I was always ready to simply sell if things became too dramatic or if the UK expansion was a dismal failure. As none of these things have happened to date, I'm still holding in my personal portfolio only with only a 7% price increase since the spilt out from Link sale in mid-2022.

Thanks for the forum articles guys with some nice history and older analysis by @lankypom and @Arizona with feedback and @Valueinvestor0909 for kicking the whole forum topic off!!


Holding in RL portfolio for now on the basis of Australian market monopoly and being a longer-term potential disrupter in the UK property market

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Chagsy
Added 4 months ago

Shucks! Didn’t realise there were so many other posts covering this already when I replied to @Arizona and @lowway ! That’s the problem with going off grid for a few days and then scrolling through posts in a “most recent at the top” fashion. Having caught up with all the earlier contributions; I have nothing to add! And also my thanks to all the knowledgeable contributors

still not a holder but very much a business I would like to own if a) they get traction in the UK or b) give up on the UK and return funds to shareholders.

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Arizona
Added 4 months ago

@Chagsy Yeah like you, I really like the idea here, but its got to make sense as an investment.

Words like Moat, Disruption, Monopoly keep springing to mind, but the UK could be a stumbling block for sure.

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